(August 8, 2018 at 12:24 pm)Joods Wrote: Most everyone knows that prayer doesn't do shit. Think about this: if you believe that god has some sort of master plan for your life, then your prayers are pointless because you are essentially asking the divine one to alter his plan for you and that isn't part of "The Plan".

Additionally, giving thanks for him saving you from a tragedy where someone else suffered or died (think car accident or weather related tragedy) is stupid because clearly, his sadistic side kicked in if he "selected" others to die as part of "The Plan". That's not very loving, is it? So why would you thank god for anything along those lines, really? He may have saved your life, but he took someone else's. If you don't find that disturbing, something is wrong with you.

Thanking god because he helped you find your car keys? Please. You were simply diligent and persistent enough to find them. God didn't do squat. He didn't walk from room to room helping you did he? He wasn't physically there to put in any work required to actually find your keys. You did that. And - gasp!  You did it while millions of children were starving and dying of hunger because in that moment, your car keys were so much more important to god than some kid needing to eat, right? If you really believe that he helped you find your stupid keys while letting innocent kids die of hunger and you don't see a problem with that, you need to seek professional help.

Come on, what innocent kids? Their ancestors ate the forbidden fruit, the poor kids are tainted with the Original Sin. But w can pray for their salvation.
 
It doesn't matter if He wasn't physically there. He provided moral support.

(August 8, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Graufreud Wrote:

(August 8, 2018 at 12:24 pm)Joods Wrote: Most everyone knows that prayer doesn't do shit. Think about this: if you believe that god has some sort of master plan for your life, then your prayers are pointless because you are essentially asking the divine one to alter his plan for you and that isn't part of "The Plan".

Additionally, giving thanks for him saving you from a tragedy where someone else suffered or died (think car accident or weather related tragedy) is stupid because clearly, his sadistic side kicked in if he "selected" others to die as part of "The Plan". That's not very loving, is it? So why would you thank god for anything along those lines, really? He may have saved your life, but he took someone else's. If you don't find that disturbing, something is wrong with you.

Thanking god because he helped you find your car keys? Please. You were simply diligent and persistent enough to find them. God didn't do squat. He didn't walk from room to room helping you did he? He wasn't physically there to put in any work required to actually find your keys. You did that. And - gasp!  You did it while millions of children were starving and dying of hunger because in that moment, your car keys were so much more important to god than some kid needing to eat, right? If you really believe that he helped you find your stupid keys while letting innocent kids die of hunger and you don't see a problem with that, you need to seek professional help.

Come on, what innocent kids? Their ancestors ate the forbidden fruit, the poor kids are tainted with the Original Sin. But w can pray for their salvation.
 
It doesn't matter if He wasn't physically there. He provided moral support.

Graufreud, your joking?

(August 8, 2018 at 12:40 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:

(August 8, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Graufreud Wrote: Come on, what innocent kids? Their ancestors ate the forbidden fruit, the poor kids are tainted with the Original Sin. But w can pray for their salvation.
 
It doesn't matter if He wasn't physically there. He provided moral support.

Graufreud, your joking?

Go figure

(August 8, 2018 at 12:42 pm)Graufreud Wrote:

(August 8, 2018 at 12:40 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Graufreud, your joking?

Go figure

Are you a believer?

(August 8, 2018 at 12:44 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:

(August 8, 2018 at 12:42 pm)Graufreud Wrote: Go figure

Are you a believer?

I believe I will stay at home tonight.
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Finally, I got some important information

Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the
Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of
Christ on earth.
Pope Boniface VIII

I guess that makes members of orthodox churches, Steve II a fraud with zero credibility. 
Not sure about Hugs

Anyone who thinks a dead jew came back to life to atone for his sins and then flew up to heaven is a xhristard as far as I am concerned.  It is a dishonorable title and they are welcome to it.

The OP assumes a difference of kind when it is really a matter of degree. They're all Christians; they just have various doctrinal differences.

(August 8, 2018 at 12:24 pm)Joods Wrote: Most everyone knows that prayer doesn't do shit. Think about this: if you believe that god has some sort of master plan for your life, then your prayers are pointless because you are essentially asking the divine one to alter his plan for you and that isn't part of "The Plan".

Maybe prayer was part of "The Plan" and by NOT praying you're the one deviating from it.

(August 8, 2018 at 12:57 pm)Graufreud Wrote: I guess that makes members of orthodox churches, Steve II a fraud with zero credibility. 
Not sure about Hugs

Try looking up "perfect contrition" it might give you further insight into RC doctrine.

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(August 8, 2018 at 11:16 am)Joods Wrote: Wait.... People still read Chick tracts?

I used to collect them out of some perverted sense of finding them amusing because they are so appalling.

I’m going to use that as my justification for “collecting” faith healers.

Some perverted sense of finding them amusing because they’re so appalling.

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(August 8, 2018 at 1:31 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: The OP assumes a difference of kind when it is really a matter of degree. They're all Christians; they just have various doctrinal differences.

How are you defining what a Christian is? Are Mormons Christians? What is the litmus test, and more importantly, why is that the litmus test?

(August 8, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(August 8, 2018 at 1:31 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: The OP assumes a difference of kind when it is really a matter of degree. They're all Christians; they just have various doctrinal differences.

How are you defining what a Christian is?  Are Mormons Christians?  What is the litmus test, and more importantly, why is that the litmus test?

Throw into water. If sinks, then a good Christian, if floats, he/she is a witch/warlock. 

Are Mormons Christians? Let's find out.

Why?
I used to play a game, there were cool looking, hard-hitting imperial Inquisitors.