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RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
August 9, 2018 at 4:35 pm
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No matter that the Democrats’ early history on these issues is barely relevant today. The two parties slowly traded places on racial politics throughout the 20th century, a well-documented historical phenomenon D’Souza considers totally bogus. D’Souza tortures the data to claim simply that this switch never happened.
Presents no data.
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RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
August 9, 2018 at 4:57 pm
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(August 9, 2018 at 4:35 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Says:
No matter that the Democrats’ early history on these issues is barely relevant today. The two parties slowly traded places on racial politics throughout the 20th century, a well-documented historical phenomenon D’Souza considers totally bogus. D’Souza tortures the data to claim simply that this switch never happened.
Presents no data.
To be fair, the discussion about the Democrats is completely beside the point and is a textbook example of whataboutism. Also, I think that it's pretty much common knowledge that the dems stand a little bit to the left than the republicans on social issues such as equality. Now, I may disagree with how they think racism is solved (more black trans woman CEOs instead of addressing the actual roots of institutionalised prejudice), but they're much better than the dog - whistling republicans. Literally a 5 seconds google takes to a very well sourced Wikipedia article that explained this very easily to me, an Italian with really not much knowledge of US politics or history.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
And hell, if you won't take it from me, here it is straight from the horse's (elephant's?) mouth.
https://www.thenation.com/article/exclus...-strategy/
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RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
August 9, 2018 at 5:01 pm
(August 9, 2018 at 3:34 pm)alpha male Wrote: (August 9, 2018 at 3:30 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Nothing, if you don't mind or would prefer a racist POTUS, obviously.
There wasn't a viable alternative, for those of us who actually vote.
It is actually not irresponsible to withhold your vote or vote third party, or even for an opposition candidate when your own party offers you a shit sandwich.
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RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
August 9, 2018 at 5:14 pm
(August 9, 2018 at 4:35 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Says:
No matter that the Democrats’ early history on these issues is barely relevant today. The two parties slowly traded places on racial politics throughout the 20th century, a well-documented historical phenomenon D’Souza considers totally bogus. D’Souza tortures the data to claim simply that this switch never happened.
Presents no data.
Yeah, you must be right. Multiple independent authors all coming to the same conclusion must mean they're all pulling the claim out of one collective ass.
Quote:And for a long time the strategy worked. Democratic politicians like Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt loyally upheld white supremacy. The dam began to crack with Harry Truman, and then under Lyndon Johnson the national party decisively broke with this corrupt bargain. With that done, white southerners just took their conservative views on taxes and national security into the Republican Party where such views belonged.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...can/45956/
Quote:In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.[1][2][3] As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as presidential candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South that had traditionally supported the Democratic Party to the Republican Party.[4] It also helped push the Republican Party much more to the right.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
Quote:The night that Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, his special assistant Bill Moyers was surprised to find the president looking melancholy in his bedroom. Moyers later wrote that when he asked what was wrong, Johnson replied, “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come.”
It may seem a crude remark to make after such a momentous occasion, but it was also an accurate prediction.
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-par...atic-south
Quote:Strangely, over a century, America's two major political parties gradually reversed identities, like the magnetic poles of Planet Earth switching direction.
How Democrats and Republicans switched beliefs
Quote:The South was once home to the "yellow dog Democrat" who would vote for a mutt over someone from the party of Abraham Lincoln. Now, the party of the Great Emancipator has made Dixie its bedrock, the base of its Electoral College vote and its majorities in Congress. Many a great-granddaddy buried in rebel gray has been rolling over in his grave for some years now.
The South's rejection of its Democratic DNA began more than 60 years ago with a Supreme Court decision, and significant historic milestones have followed like clockwork in almost every decade since. (The one exception was the 1970s, when Watergate torpedoed the Nixon presidency and led to the election of Jimmy Carter in 1976.)
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolit...an-redoubt
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RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
August 9, 2018 at 5:46 pm
Again, the party of the Confederacy doesn't get to claim party of Lincoln. Lincoln was the enemy of the confederacy. Either you agree that confederate statues should be removed, or you're NOT the party of Lincoln. Pretty simple fucking stuff really.
"Tradition" is just a word people use to make themselves feel better about being an asshole.
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RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
August 9, 2018 at 5:58 pm
It seems to me, that whatarty did what a long long time ago has little bearing on whether personal harassment of public figures is acceptable.
One distinction that I think is important, is that it seems that some think this means that you can’t criticize or speak out against someone. I don’t think this was the spirit of the OP was about, But rather going to people homes, mobbing them in public, or disrupting them at dinner or a movie. That we can have a civilized (even if heated) discussion about issues, without the crazy and hatred.
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RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
August 9, 2018 at 6:02 pm
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Yeah, like..if people were hanging and burning a president in effigy a couple years ago..that's neither here nor there. Everyone..today...should shut their face and know their place so that we can have RR approved conversations of a tolerable heat level!!!
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RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
August 9, 2018 at 6:09 pm
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Yup because those black men because their a group of sycophants and ideological puppets .Next Right Wingers seem to live under this notion that racists can't like or associate with certain members of that race and still not be racists. That's like saying a misogynist who loves his female relatives is not a misogynist. Sorry racists are not one dimensional cartoon villians.
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In other words you losing and your lashing out in dismissive snark
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RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
August 9, 2018 at 6:19 pm
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(August 9, 2018 at 6:02 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Yeah, like..if people were hanging and burning a president in effigy a couple years ago..that's neither here nor there. Everyone..today...should shut their face and know their place so that we can have RR approved conversations of a tolerable heat level.
I didn’t say that, nor do I approve of it.... do you think that was acceptable behavior? It would seem that if you are are saying that is bad, then it would follow that it is now as well.
Edit: I also don’t think this is addressing the issue in the OP, although if this type of thing is becoming acceptable, is certainly a related issue.
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RE: Is Harassment of Public Figures Acceptable: Your Sincere Opinion
August 9, 2018 at 6:21 pm
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You don't seem to say much of anything, no matter how many posts you make. It's a really neat trick.
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