In related news, 300 "fake news" editors give a huge FUCK YOU to President Lowlife.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45204397

Given his personality how would it  be possible that he doesn't use it?

Hard to say without evidence.

Is it...............

(August 16, 2018 at 12:59 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Is it...............

Yes. Everything is hard to say for certain without evidence. As an atheist I always want evidence of things.

No belief without evidence is almost an atheist mantra. Unfortunately when it comes to Trump, lots of people on here believe all kinds of unsubstantiated things without evidence.

For example, this story. What you have is an ex-employee who said that she heard there is a tape where Trump says nigger. She hasn't heard the tape personally, nor heard Trump use the word personally.

That isn't evidence that's worth spit and nobody would ever accept second hand heresay as evidence when it comes to a politician they like. But because it's Trump, you now have people on this board who are certain that such a tape exists.

I hate Trump just as much as you guys, I really do. Im a single issue voter on foriegn policy, and Trump has a truly frightening foriegn policy. I also disagree with him on most of his other politics.

But I don't suspend my need for good evidence, what made me an atheist to start just because I don't like la politician.

The second thing that people will bring up is a pattern of behavior and statements that makes it likely. But when Brian presented his pattern of behavior, it's full of rumors and out of context claims. For example the often cited 'Trump called Mexicans rapists' which isn't even true. What he said was that there were rapists amoungst illegal immigrants, along with some good people. That's a far cry from what's claimed as evidence.

So if the pattern of behavior, for me, needs to be rock solid and built on good evidence too. I can see how someone who thinks Trump said "all Mexicans are rapists" would think he is dropping n-bombs. But since that's not what he said, I remain skeptical.

Or you have the other one, where people claim he called Nazis good people. Which again, just isn't true. He said there were good people who wanted to keep the statue of Robert E. Lee in place. Having lived in the south before, that's undoubtedly true. While you can debate about the validity of that, it's a far cry from calling Nazis good people. So once again, if you believe Trump called Nazis good people, I can see how you'd think he's dropping n-bombs. But since that's not really what happened, I need a more clear pattern of behavior.

So I'll suspend my judgement until further evidence is in. As all rational thinking people should do.

I don't think that your trump-racism skepticism quite approaches the level of your atheism, but what would I know.  The man says racist shit in public constantly, and has been a racist for as long as anyone has ever taken notice of him.

It's pretty easy for me to accept that a public racist says racist shit in private.

I think you want an excuse, Cap'n.  The evidence of this miserable shits racism is well documented.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018...acist.html

Quote:Donald Trump has been obsessed with race for the entire time he has been a public figure. He had a history of making racist comments as a New York real-estate developer in the 1970s and ‘80s. More recently, his political rise was built on promulgating the lie that the nation’s first black president was born in Kenya. He then launched his campaign with a speech describing Mexicans as rapists.

(August 16, 2018 at 4:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I think you want an excuse, Cap'n.  The evidence of this miserable shits racism is well documented.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018...acist.html

Quote:Donald Trump has been obsessed with race for the entire time he has been a public figure. He had a history of making racist comments as a New York real-estate developer in the 1970s and ‘80s. More recently, his political rise was built on promulgating the lie that the nation’s first black president was born in Kenya. He then launched his campaign with a speech describing Mexicans as rapists.

That's pretty much what I said. Some are real concerns and some are taken out of context. I.E. The Mexican's are rapists things. Which isn't what was said. So it's hardly a definitive list when it is too lazy to research even basic context and assumes the worst about every quote. Just hard to take a hit piece all that seriously as a skeptic.

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(August 16, 2018 at 2:56 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I don't think that your trump-racism skepticism quite approaches the level of your atheism, but what would I know.  The man says racist shit in public constantly, and has been a racist for as long as anyone has ever taken notice of him.

It's pretty easy for me to accept that a public racist says racist shit in private.

For me, someone saying that some immigrants and criminals and rapists and some are good people is not sufficient evidence that someone is dropping n-bombs in public. Nor should it be for anyone else.

That being said, I wouldn't be all that surprised really. I just need to hear the evidence for myself. Not third removed heresay.

There is so much more to racism than the N word.

(August 17, 2018 at 2:24 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: For me, someone saying that some immigrants and criminals and rapists and some are good people is not sufficient evidence that someone is dropping n-bombs in public. Nor should it be for anyone else.

That being said, I wouldn't be all that surprised really. I just need to hear the evidence for myself. Not third removed heresay.

He would be the only racist to have ever lived that was less racist when he thought fewer people would hear him - if he hasn't.  A Racist Unicorn.