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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 11:56 pm
(August 16, 2018 at 11:52 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:You're not doing the killing.
Yes i am i'm part of the society that sentences to death
Quote:Those hired by those we elect to represent us are.
And those are my representatives
Quote:And I thought we'd moved on from the immorality of cleansing the genepool of scum to disinfecting it by keeping the threats to the genepool locked up?
Wow just wow
Not necessarily.
Not everyone you've ever voted fir has been elected, right?
Don't like plain talk?
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 11:56 pm
Quote:And what if he's released and there are?
Then we apply justice again it's the only right choice
Quote:What are you going to say to the families of the victims?
I'm very sorry for your loss but i cannot support an unjust method of punishment .
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 11:57 pm
(August 16, 2018 at 11:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (August 16, 2018 at 11:50 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: How do you define justice?
Can we not do this, honestly? I define justice as something identifiably separate from emotional satisfaction. That really ought to be enough to contextualize my question..shouldn't it? We're not really arguing that point...surely...?
I’m not trying to be dishonest. I think of justice as the person who harmed is punished; to the point they can feel the pain they caused.
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 11:58 pm
(August 16, 2018 at 11:55 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Even if that were so....if a person serves 50 years...they didn't skate.
Where does it end, though?
"50 years is inhumane!"
"40 years is inhumane!"
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 11:59 pm
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(August 16, 2018 at 11:57 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I’m not trying to be dishonest. I think of justice as the person who harmed is punished; to the point they can feel the pain they caused.
I know you're not, I'm not implying otherwise..I just don't think that it's going to be a productive line of questioning for either of us.
For example..it may be the case that we do punish someone up to a point that they can feel the pain they caused..but doing that won't necessarrily produce emotional satisfaction for victims or the victims families.
Emotional satisfaction and justice are identifiably distinct. We agree here, I think?
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 16, 2018 at 11:59 pm
(August 16, 2018 at 11:56 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (August 16, 2018 at 11:52 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Yes i am i'm part of the society that sentences to death
And those are my representatives
Wow just wow
Not necessarily.
Not everyone you've ever voted fir has been elected, right?
Don't like plain talk? I still am part of society thus part of the system that condemns them
It does not matter if i voted for them i still am part of society
No i just find that description disturbingly eugenicist
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 17, 2018 at 12:00 am
(August 16, 2018 at 11:56 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:And what if he's released and there are?
Then we apply justice again it's the only right choice
Quote:What are you going to say to the families of the victims?
I'm very sorry for your loss but i cannot support an unjust method of punishment .
Oh well.
So long as you're sorry, that justifies the death of their loved one!
See, I don't think it's worth the risk of releasing (look out, more plain talk) a mass murdering piece of shit back into society.
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 17, 2018 at 12:00 am
Quote:I’m not trying to be dishonest. I think of justice as the person who harmed is punished; to the point they can feel the pain they caused.
That does not explain how pain = Justice
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 17, 2018 at 12:02 am
(August 16, 2018 at 11:58 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (August 16, 2018 at 11:55 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Even if that were so....if a person serves 50 years...they didn't skate.
Where does it end, though?
"50 years is inhumane!"
"40 years is inhumane!"
It ends whenever they're no longer a danger to others. If that's never..it's never. If it's five years, it's five years. We put people in these cages to prevent them from doing further harm..not so that we can do harm to them.
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 17, 2018 at 12:03 am
(August 16, 2018 at 11:59 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: (August 16, 2018 at 11:56 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Not necessarily.
Not everyone you've ever voted fir has been elected, right?
Don't like plain talk? I still am part of society thus part of the system that condemns them
It does not matter if i voted for them i still am part of society
No i just find that description disturbingly eugenicist
And that's exactly why I did it.
In the country I currently live in a person can murder someone, get "life" in prison and be out in eight years.
Thar's not punishment. It's an extended holiday!
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