(August 28, 2018 at 7:09 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(August 27, 2018 at 8:36 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The same heart of mine that has compassion over the oppressed hates the oppressors

How do you know that God hate the oppressors?
How on earth can you hate something that you created?
If that would be the case then God wouldn't be God in the first place.
God is perfect therefore from something perfect can not possibly spring or born something that is not perfect.    

And being that doesn't hate oppressors is not worthy of worship. And he is most severe in retribution in the place of anger and vengeance and the most compassionate in the place of pardon and mercy!

(August 28, 2018 at 11:12 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(August 28, 2018 at 7:09 am)Little Rik Wrote: How do you know that God hate the oppressors?
How on earth can you hate something that you created?
If that would be the case then God wouldn't be God in the first place.
God is perfect therefore from something perfect can not possibly spring or born something that is not perfect.    

And being that doesn't hate oppressors is not worthy of worship. And he is most severe in retribution in the place of anger and vengeance and the most compassionate in the place of pardon and mercy!

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
Matthew 5:38-40, NIV

Doesn't your religion say that Jesus was a prophet?

(August 28, 2018 at 12:15 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(August 28, 2018 at 11:12 am)MysticKnight Wrote: And being that doesn't hate oppressors is not worthy of worship. And he is most severe in retribution in the place of anger and vengeance and the most compassionate in the place of pardon and mercy!

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.
Matthew 5:38-40, NIV

Doesn't your religion say that Jesus was a prophet?

Every Prophet has a code of ethics for the time he was in. The believers of Jesus didn't have the forces to resist evil people.

(November 12, 1974 at 4:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Even if Heaven didn't exist at all, as humans, most of us naturally have a certain attraction and admiration towards that which is good.

I believe the 20th Century is overwhelming proof of the contrary.

(August 28, 2018 at 2:25 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(November 12, 1974 at 4:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Even if Heaven didn't exist at all, as humans, most of us naturally have a certain attraction and admiration towards that which is good.

I believe the 20th Century is overwhelming proof of the contrary.

(August 26, 2018 at 9:43 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(August 25, 2018 at 10:03 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: If God actually exists, and is truly good, then all truly good people should be rewarded regardless of what they believe.

That is not how it works. At least in theist minds. In simple logic? Sure. Theists, however, cannot work that out.

(August 26, 2018 at 9:43 am)MysticKnight Wrote: While this is true,  what one believes often affects the status if someone is good or bad.

What an evil thing to say. In your borked faith, it matters not whether anyone was good,

Oh great. I don't have to be good or moral or anything according to you.

(August 26, 2018 at 9:43 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Also to the extent we are honest to ourselves and honestly strive for the truth is also a key determinant of one's goodness, on the extreme end of evil is when one is stubborn to God's proofs and opposes God's light and tries to do away with it with conjecture and speaking and holding on to falsehood and preferring it over truth all out of rebellion to God and his chosen ones.

Have you been drinking? Because that is a mess.

(August 25, 2018 at 8:58 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: First I want to point out that if a Christian is only following Jesus in this life for the sole purpose of attaining paradise, he/she is probably going about it the wrong way. We should be following Jesus because Jesus is good, and we desire goodness for it's own sake. Even if Heaven didn't exist at all, as humans, most of us naturally have a certain attraction and admiration towards that which is good.

As for what the afterlife will be like, exactly, that I don't know. It is a matter of faith. But we can deduce that IF God does in fact exist, and if God truly is goodness and love, then being completely consumed within Him will be the ultimate fulfillment.

Yeah but you are an admitted canibal, or one who rejects what catholicism actually says. You don't get to have opinions because you hold conflicting opinions which are mutually exclusive.

(August 26, 2018 at 9:43 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Desiring proximity to God and loving his creation for the face of God that is in them vs desiring goodness for goodness sake, I would say the former is the heart of goodness while the latter is just conjecture people came up with but has no meaning.

Exept to kill you, or cast you into hell for eternal torture, or even to just ignore except that god is holy because he appear in a stupid bronze age holy book

How did I manage to cock that reply up? Is or was Neo?

(August 26, 2018 at 10:43 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(August 26, 2018 at 4:00 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: Even when there is a threat involved? If it was just a case of following because you think it's somehow a good way to live your life then fair enough, but it isn't is it? Christians want to be saved, Christians want others to be saved, live your life this way or else! And for what? Judging by the massive response to my original question from believers, nobody knows for what.

I think a person can only go so far if they are living a certain way for the sole reason of avoiding something, and not because they truly desire goodness and truth. As it is with all things, if you don't love what you are doing, you are bound to fail at it at some point, in some way. A person should follow Jesus because they value, and have a real desire for, goodness and truth.

Really? What is YOUR position on contraception? Your's and yours alone, nobody else's. Tell me what that is, please.

(August 28, 2018 at 2:59 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(August 26, 2018 at 10:43 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think a person can only go so far if they are living a certain way for the sole reason of avoiding something, and not because they truly desire goodness and truth. As it is with all things, if you don't love what you are doing, you are bound to fail at it at some point, in some way. A person should follow Jesus because they value, and have a real desire for, goodness and truth.

Really? What is YOUR position on contraception? Your's and yours alone, nobody else's. Tell me what that is, please.

Nah, I don't like the way you talk to me on these forums or what you say about me. Your demand for me to answer you here doesn't help either.

I will have to opt out of engaging with you, sorry.

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(August 28, 2018 at 2:25 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(November 12, 1974 at 4:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Even if Heaven didn't exist at all, as humans, most of us naturally have a certain attraction and admiration towards that which is good.

I believe the 20th Century is overwhelming proof of the contrary.

I know it is always a battle between our greed and our desire for goodness. And I know the latter doesn't always win, not by a long shot. But wouldn't you agree that the desire for goodness still exists inherent to humanity, even if selfishness ends up being stronger?

Thread's gone to rat shit.