(September 4, 2018 at 5:12 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(September 4, 2018 at 4:43 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Mathematical realism fares no better as it is well recognized that the ontology of numbers and morals is significantly unlike the ontology of existents like this desk, or a supposed god, thus unless you can reconcile those differences, your argument to analogy fails.  

And therein lies the rub. Despite how many time believers tell you that we do not define God as just one more thing in a world of things, you still try to compare God to all manner of contingent things, like desks and invisible dragons. So yes, my analogy holds perfectly fine. One type of immaterial object, a mathematical one, with another immaterial object, a Prime Mover/Necessary Being/Etc.

(September 4, 2018 at 5:13 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: O man, Neo, you gave them enough hits for one day.

Let them digest it for now!

(September 4, 2018 at 5:13 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: O man, Neo, you gave them enough hits for one day.

Let them digest it for now!

(September 4, 2018 at 5:36 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(September 4, 2018 at 5:12 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: And therein lies the rub. Despite how many time believers tell you that we do not define God as just one more thing in a world of things, you still try to compare God to all manner of contingent things, like desks and invisible dragons. So yes, my analogy holds perfectly fine. One type of immaterial object, a mathematical one, with another immaterial object, a Prime Mover/Necessary Being/Etc.

Mathematical truths aren't objects. Numbers aren't objects. Your own words betray you.

(September 4, 2018 at 8:03 am)polymath257 Wrote:

(September 2, 2018 at 3:46 pm)chimp3 Wrote: RN here. The definition of delusion clinically is a fixed, irrational idea that is not shared by others. 

 "I am Harry Truman!" is an example of a delusion that I witnessed a person experiencing.

 " Jesus is King" is just a belief that millions share. 

I am trying to do mentally ill people a service by not associating their disease process to the bullshit perpetuated by religious people.

There is no restriction on delusions that they cannot be shared with others: (from Marriam-Webster)

Definition of delusion

1 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated

• under the delusion that they will finish on schedule
  

• delusions of grandeur
  

b psychology : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary

• the delusion that someone was out to hurt him
  

; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs

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Does this apply to religions? At the very least, it applies to beliefs in supernatural deities that affect day-to-day lives of people. Combined with the confabulation (called apologetics) that is typical of religion (and delusions), it is hard to see a way that most religions are NOT delusional.

(September 4, 2018 at 7:09 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(September 4, 2018 at 5:36 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Mathematical truths aren't objects. Numbers aren't objects. Your own words betray you.

I don't care if you reject the notion of objects of intellect. To me that is a matter of opinion and cause for debate. What I really want to know is if you think people who believe in mathematical objects are delusional.

(September 4, 2018 at 1:42 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(September 4, 2018 at 8:33 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: nevertheless, there seems to be an overarching concept of human goodness that unites them all.

If by "unites them all" you mean only that the concept applies in all cases, perhaps there is.  That is a hypothesis that could be checked.

(September 4, 2018 at 2:30 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(September 4, 2018 at 11:03 am)Wololo Wrote: Here's the proof.  If there's a god he will surely strick me down with great fury and righteous anger 60 seconds after I call him a fucktard.

God's a fucktard.

Anyone heard from Wololo lately?

(September 4, 2018 at 9:52 pm)chimp3 Wrote: As I mentioned, antipsychotics help with psychotic delusions. They have no effect on religious beliefs commonly held.