@PNG, his chem set.

Some people are just so anti-science.  No wonder we're failing in STEM. 

One of the big parts of toxic masculinity is dominance. Dominating women, dominating other men. It's not done through merit - the toughest, smartest, strongest, best men rise above the rest - but rather through bullying, intimidation, deception, etc. So, I'd say that positive masculinity would exhibit the opposite traits. Honesty, humility, kindness, etc.

(September 29, 2018 at 9:40 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: One of the big parts of toxic masculinity is dominance.  Dominating women, dominating other men.  It's not done through merit - the toughest, smartest, strongest, best men rise above the rest - but rather through bullying, intimidation, deception, etc.  So, I'd say that positive masculinity would exhibit the opposite traits.  Honesty, humility, kindness, etc.

I've worked for companies that have run the gamut for leadership's skills. Some have done shit you just wouldn't believe was possible, and usually there was some arrogant SOB in the mix. But I've seen plenty of decent leadership in the mix.

Spiders

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Seriously, though, men's greatest weakness can be their strength. When it really hits the fan, sometimes it's good to have a brutish animal around, no?

(September 30, 2018 at 6:42 am)bennyboy Wrote: Spiders

/thread.


Seriously, though, men's greatest weakness can be their strength.  When it really hits the fan, sometimes it's good to have a brutish animal around, no?

"Don't shoot him, you'll just make him mad." I knew a few guys like that.

I missed this thread and don't really have time to read it at the moment. But I think that there is a problem with masculine traits not really being that required so much in society any more. In earlier times, men would go off and fight in wars, or other tribes or hunt big animals which could easily kill them. Physical strength was also far more useful before the age of machines.  This means though that the drives and urges are still there but no outlet to be useful. But they still have to go somewhere.

I found a noticeable difference when moving across the country from a flat, built up area where men had trouble being men to a mountainous area where you could push yourself physically to test your limits. I joined a scuba diving club in my mid twenties and the men there were quite hostile to single women. They'd want to wallow around under water like a floating whale feeling all tough and they felt threatened when a woman also did it quite nonchalantly. I then moved up north and joined a paragliding club. No one treated me badly there because everyone had a means by which they could terrify themselves (the wind in Scotland goes from flat calm to blown out most of the time, or the other way). This meant that the men did not feel as threatened by a woman as much as they did of falling out the sky.

When I moved down south again, this time with a Scottish husband, he saw first hand what I was talking about. His boss would boast about sailing and how he was really pushing himself by doing so. So my husband casually mentioned once having to climb out of the way of an avalanche in the gully on Buachaille etive Mor when he was walking up there using two walking poles as ice picks which killed the two climbers below him. The boss shut up after that. But if I had said that as a woman then the man would have belittled me instead.

I personally found the paragliding clubs down south to be particularly safety conscious to the extent that it would hamper people's progress in the sport. It was a way of imposing control and increasing your standing in the community by keeping others down.

What did your husband think about killing the two men with his poles?

Yeah I could have phrased that sentence better.

(September 30, 2018 at 8:22 am)Mathilda Wrote: Yeah I could have phrased that sentence better.

Just havin a bit o fun.