(September 30, 2018 at 6:53 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(September 30, 2018 at 1:55 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: To argue that there are no inherently male traits and that it's all just society and culture would be to argue that having 10000% more testoserone has no effect on someone. I doubt you'll find a scientist willing to go along with that assertion.

Take a woman and inject her to make level testosterone and you see changes in her mood, behavior, threshhold for risk, all kinds of things. It's a hell of a drug.

Well good thing I haven't done that. As I say, I find the question interesting. But I don't think there is any direct line and uniform way testosterone is expressed in the behavior of men. Cultural heritage is huge in understanding human behavior.

I think it's obviously a mix of the two. I think we can infer that some traditionally masculine behavior, both positive or negative is influenced by testosterone based on how women who get testoserone injections behavior changes.

If boys are just taught to be aggressive by society, how come a woman on testerone is likely to become aggressive like her male peers, engage in risky behavior etc? Of course society has a huge influence too as to what is appropriate or not and most of all individuals vary drastically.

The nature vs nurture debate I my opinion was solved long ago: it's both.

(October 1, 2018 at 12:13 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: The nature vs nurture debate I my opinion was solved long ago: it's both.

I haven't closed that file but indeed there is much more known now than in the past. I remain interested though far from driven. Current events stir up where people are in their thinking about the male/female divide. I agree with Dodo that now, as people's willingness to question gender roles increases, those roles do indeed become more fluid.

I wonder if how we feel about that is affected by where we are on the liberal/conservative spectrum.

(October 1, 2018 at 10:48 am)Whateverist Wrote: I wonder if how we feel about that is affected by where we are on the liberal/conservative spectrum.

Seems highly likely to me. Those who deny/refuse to acknowledge the existence of gender fluidity are not going to accept that these gender related characteristics are becoming fluid.