Quote:The Lord is immeasurable.  He transcends this realm.

No he's not....



He comes in 1 cubic foot bags.

(November 6, 2018 at 4:26 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Everyone still having a good time being astounded that someone else can be so very different from themselves?  That's nice.  Carry on.

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(November 6, 2018 at 4:14 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Can I disbelieve the validity of your logic and reasoning, and ask for you to expose it here for us to analyse it?

Yes CDF, expose the justifications for your most cherished beliefs here where those you trust the most can give you honest feedback and support.  I'll wait.

With those I trust the most?? LOL

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(November 7, 2018 at 12:21 am)Rahn127 Wrote: Reasoning & logic doesn't tell you how long a board is or how much it weighs or how strong it is.

We need to measure it, weigh it and test it's strength.
A board is a real object in this world that we often use in construction.

You cannot logic something into existence.
You cannot reason it's attributes.
They have to be measured.

I have a certain level of intelligence.
It's not that high, nor that low. I'm average.
This can be measured & tested.

I have a certain level of creative aptitude.
This can be shown through my writing, drawing, my witty repartee, and my ability to craft various kinds of crafty shit.

You assert your god has certain attributes.
How did you measure them ?

The Lord is immeasurable.  He transcends this realm.

I'm glad that you're admitting that this god doesn't exist. That's actually quite helpful.

Something without measure has a zero value.
Something that is outside of existence does not exist.

(November 7, 2018 at 2:05 am)Rahn127 Wrote:

Quote: CDF47

The Lord is immeasurable.  He transcends this realm.

I'm glad that you're admitting that this god doesn't exist. That's actually quite helpful.

Something without measure has a zero value.
Something that is outside of existence does not exist.

Outside the boundaries of this finite universe.

(November 7, 2018 at 2:47 am)CDF47 Wrote: Outside the boundaries of this finite universe.

So where's the massive influx of energy coming apparently from "nowhere" if this alleged god is actually able to control things inside this universe? If there is no connection between the inside and outside, and no energy flow, then your god is completely powerless in this realm and can simply be ignored.

(November 7, 2018 at 2:52 am)Astreja Wrote:

(November 7, 2018 at 2:47 am)CDF47 Wrote: Outside the boundaries of this finite universe.

So where's the massive influx of energy coming apparently from "nowhere" if this alleged god is actually able to control things inside this universe?  If there is no connection between the inside and outside, and no energy flow, then your god is completely powerless in this realm and can simply be ignored.

The energy is from God.  Better question is where does the information come from?

(November 7, 2018 at 3:05 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 7, 2018 at 2:52 am)Astreja Wrote: So where's the massive influx of energy coming apparently from "nowhere" if this alleged god is actually able to control things inside this universe?  If there is no connection between the inside and outside, and no energy flow, then your god is completely powerless in this realm and can simply be ignored.

The energy is from God.  Better question is where does the information come from?

Is information a human label for a particular sort of patterns that our pattern-seeking brains have come to attribute?

If so, then the information came from humanity.
The DNA patterns themselves are what they are: chemicals arranged in suitable sequences for life forms to exist. Patterns which, judging by all the available evidence, have evolved from simple and humble beginnings, into the amazing machinery we see nowadays.
Had that evolution not happened, we wouldn't be here today to ponder about it... much like we weren't around for most of Life's history on this planet.

Certainly, DNA, as we now know it, couldn't have been the first mechanism for life's pattern of self-replication.
You've been told this repeatedly, and never once seemed to acknowledge its significance.
Why?
Why are you willfully ignoring a major part of the argument?

(November 7, 2018 at 12:21 am)Rahn127 Wrote: Reasoning & logic doesn't tell you how long a board is or how much it weighs or how strong it is.

We need to measure it, weigh it and test it's strength.
A board is a real object in this world that we often use in construction.

You cannot logic something into existence.
You cannot reason it's attributes.
They have to be measured.

Ack!  I have no idea what the length, breadth or depth of my mind might be and neither do I know its weight or tensile strength.  I infer my mind somewhat along the lines of Descartes.  But I don't want to be guilty of just making shit up.  Good gawd, I've lost my mind!

Oh well at least I have a pretty good idea regarding the particulars of the organ which supports my mind.  I can measure it, therefore it is!

(November 7, 2018 at 12:35 am)CDF47 Wrote: It's been laid out throughout this thread.

Wrong. All you have is baseless assertion piled on baseless assertion.

Like these...

(November 7, 2018 at 12:35 am)CDF47 Wrote: The Lord is immeasurable.  He transcends this realm.

Which you assert without evidence all the while ignoring the fact that the consequence of this assertion is that YOU CANNOT KNOW WHAT YOU CLAIM TO KNOW.

DNA proves the existence of DNA nothing more. The process of abiogenesis accomplished amazing results DNA being just one of them. No designer required.