(November 7, 2018 at 3:05 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 7, 2018 at 2:52 am)Astreja Wrote: So where's the massive influx of energy coming apparently from "nowhere" if this alleged god is actually able to control things inside this universe?  If there is no connection between the inside and outside, and no energy flow, then your god is completely powerless in this realm and can simply be ignored.

The energy is from God.  Better question is where does the information come from?

Actually that's a really stupid question. 
Your word "information" (premise) drives your conclusion. 
You premise is false.
Therefore your conclusion is false. 

There is no information. 
It's nothing but chemical reactions.
You have no evidence that anything "additional" exists in DNA.
It's composed of nucleotide molecules, which are arranged because of chemical energy/attraction.
You and your idiot Strobel are snake-oil salesmen.

(November 5, 2018 at 7:37 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: CD - how much complex functional information does your god designer have ?

He sounds awfully complex. I wonder who designed him ?

I think that would be whatever the turtles are standing on.

(November 5, 2018 at 7:53 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 5, 2018 at 7:37 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: CD - how much complex functional information does your god designer have ?

He sounds awfully complex. I wonder who designed him ?

He is the primordial One.  No one created Him.  He existed forever.

Yeah, and I'm King Isildur.

(November 7, 2018 at 8:59 am)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(November 5, 2018 at 7:53 pm)CDF47 Wrote: He is the primordial One.  No one created Him.  He existed forever.

Yeah, and I'm King Isildur.

Quote:He existed forever.

Oh really ? 

Then where did Reality come from ?
If *he* (does "he" have male genitalia ?) existed *forever*, then time existed "forever". 
"Forever" is a temporal reference. Doh. 
Where did time come from ? You have a "special time" ? It's "space-time" as far as we know.
You really are no engineer are you ? You're some sort of fraud, claiming to be an engineer.

Do these idiots even think about the drivel that shoots out of their mouths ?

(November 7, 2018 at 2:47 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 7, 2018 at 2:05 am)Rahn127 Wrote: I'm glad that you're admitting that this god doesn't exist. That's actually quite helpful.

Something without measure has a zero value.
Something that is outside of existence does not exist.

Outside the boundaries of this finite universe.

Our universe is about 04% of a larger Cosmos

We can observe a great deal about our universe.
We describe existence in terms of things within our universe, within reality.

((Universe = Existence = Real) Outside of Existence = Non Existence = Not Real)

You yourself describe your god as not real.
You describe it as not existing.

(November 7, 2018 at 3:05 am)CDF47 Wrote: The energy is from God.  Better question is where does the information come from?

I say again: There is no evidence of energy coming from outside the universe. Therefore, you have defined your own god into impotence and irrelevance. The moment it comes to this side of the alleged barrier, we should be able to detect some trace of its existence.

We can't.

Therefore it is reasonable to assume that your god is either completely powerless, or a figment of the imagination. (Occam's Razor favours 'figment of the imagination.')

(November 7, 2018 at 8:24 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: DNA proves the existence of DNA nothing more. The process of abiogenesis accomplished amazing results DNA being just one of them. No designer required.

Or, one could hold, abiogenesis was the successful intent of divine agency in choosing the laws and nature of matter while evolution was likewise part of the plan.  Admittedly, inferring a cosmic schemer seems more than a little gratuitous.  But this is where the religiously inclined need to go to remain in the modern world.

(November 7, 2018 at 8:24 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: DNA proves the existence of DNA nothing more. The process of abiogenesis accomplished amazing results DNA being just one of them. No designer required.

And even if DNA did point to a sentient creator (it doesn't!), the dumbass deity from the Bible doesn't even make the shortlist of gods that might be smart enough to create such a thing.  That particular deity is about as smart as a sack of wet mice.  Extremely angry wet mice with access to weapons of mass destruction.