(November 11, 2018 at 8:47 am)Everena Wrote: What I said was recent discoveries in quantum biology coupled with quantum mechanics multiverse theory could soon prove eternal life. Don't try to change what I said. 


How did you manage that? 93% of the world got it before you did! Oh well, you had your fun being an atheist.

Appealing to 93 % of the world (*as if* they all bought into the same god) being believers as some sort of argument for the gods IS the "ad populum" fallacy. Doh.
99 % once thought the world was flat.
Oh well, you had your fun being a theist.

Quote:God's grand design is awesome and perfect and exactly how it is supposed to be. What are your problems with it? What specifically do not like about God's design?

Are you like 2 years old ?
Can we start with the millions of babies who die of cancer, starvation, thirst and disease ? That *awesome* design ? LMAO

If you have proof of anything, then you need no faith. Apparently you are the only theist alive who needs no faith.

(November 11, 2018 at 4:45 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 10, 2018 at 6:26 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Bollocks.  Science does exactly that.  Now you're just a crass liar.

No, the whys of our existence are left to philosophy. Science only attempts to discover and understand things about an already existing and operating universe.

Wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartle%E2%...king_state

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_..._cosmology

Professor Sean Carroll -- Episode 9: Solo — Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing?

https://phys.org/news/2010-07-universe-big.html

https://arxiv.org/abs/1007.1750

(November 11, 2018 at 10:06 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 8:47 am)Everena Wrote: What I said was recent discoveries in quantum biology coupled with quantum mechanics multiverse theory could soon prove eternal life. Don't try to change what I said. 


How did you manage that? 93% of the world got it before you did! Oh well, you had your fun being an atheist.

Just what "discoveries" were those. Please reference them, and the scientific support for them.

The only discovery you're going to find at the bottom of that claim is everenas discovery of the word "quantum"..which, as we all know..makes everything about fairy tales sound truthier and sciencier. Sounding sciency is important, except, ofc, when you're talking about evolutionary biology, in which case science is bullshit.

(November 11, 2018 at 7:33 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 7:30 am)Everena Wrote: I am not a Christian and I was raised by atheists. Higher intelligence than mere humans is obvious to 93% of the world and what you should really ask yourself is , if 93% of the world can get it, why can't you???

We're playing the numbers fallacy now?

Over half the world's population is Asian or of Asian decent.  Why can't the rest of the world be Asian too?

(November 10, 2018 at 3:49 pm)Everena Wrote: What specifically convinces you that complex things can just come to life or come into existence from nothing with no intelligence? And don't say billions of years of evolution because that is a cop-out and a straw man argument.

Chaos Theory demonstrates that order arises spontaneously in this universe. 
Galaxies, star systems, black holes are complex systems. They all arose naturally. 

Your assertion (with no evidence) that complex systems can't "come into existence" is flat out false. 
There are countless examples of them. 
You say they are "cop-outs" and "straw-men" ... apparently you don't know what a straw-man argument actually is. 
Your "cop-out" is nothing but your uninformed opinion, and you dismiss it, as you find it too difficult to address.

No one says anything can just "come to life". 
Your assertion that nothing can just "come into existence" is also false. 
You have no evidence that anything "just came into existence". 
"Coming into existence" is a TEMPORAL process, and it requires time, already in place. It's a nonsensical meaningless phrase that presupposes conditions, not in place. 

Reference us to these "discoveries" in "Quantum Biology" and the scientists who made them.

Quote:No, the whys of our existence are left to philosophy. Science only attempts to discover and understand things about an already existing and operating universe.

Nope. Wrong again. You are unable to refute ANY point at all made here ... or any proposed chemistry in this video ...
There are countless examples of science addressing "why" things arise ... like CANCER, (which apparently, according to you, is part of the *awesome* design). LOL






Here's what wrong about creationist "improbable" assertions.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html

There is not one shred of evidence that complex biological systems retain, post mortem, an "identity", nor is there even a proposed mechanism for that.
There is no evidence that human identity even survives, (even though still technically *alive*) catastrophic brain injury.
There is no consciousness ever seen in the absence of at least minimally healthy brains, and that consciousness coincides totally with the degree of brain health and function.
There is no evidence that any part of a human "personal identity" survives biological cessation and decomposition.

"Complexity" IS a straw-man. It is undefined. No one can say what the definition actually is. It's nothing but meaningless "hand-waving". They cannot say what is not "complex enough" thus not requiring a designer, or what the boundary is exactly where a system becomes "complex enough" that it does require a designer. Without precise definitions, it's all a "big nothing" argument.

(November 11, 2018 at 9:12 am)Kit Wrote: I'm guessing that Bahai nonsense.

Bahai may or may not be nonsense. But I am reluctant to dismiss it out of hand.

Why?

It is an improvement upon nonsense. And an improvement upon nonsense makes sense. After all, that is all that science and philosophy are (when you really stand back and look at them.)

(November 11, 2018 at 10:37 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 9:12 am)Kit Wrote: I'm guessing that Bahai nonsense.

Bahai may or may not be nonsense. But I am reluctant to dismiss it out of hand.

Why?

It is an improvement upon nonsense. And an improvement upon nonsense makes sense. After all, that is all that science and philosophy are (when you really stand back and look at them.)

If an idea is not worth doing it is not worth doing well.

(November 11, 2018 at 10:37 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 9:12 am)Kit Wrote: I'm guessing that Bahai nonsense.

Bahai may or may not be nonsense. But I am reluctant to dismiss it out of hand.

Why?

It is an improvement upon nonsense. And an improvement upon nonsense makes sense. After all, that is all that science and philosophy are (when you really stand back and look at them.)

It's not, go spend twenty minutes at a bahai forum.  Those guys are nuts, even more nuts than your run of the mill religious nuts. That's what happens when you get too deep into syncretism, though, you end up with a schizophrenic religion.

The bahai faith is islam's version of scientology.

(November 11, 2018 at 7:58 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 7:52 am)Joods Wrote: Then fuck right off you fucking troll. You didn't come here to learn anything or to share actual knowledge or exchange ideas. You came here to troll, preach, flame and bait. 

The best part of you ran down your mother's leg when it's clear she should have swallowed. Go play in traffic you piece of fucking shit.

Classy. Perhaps you should learn to not try to tell someone else what they experienced.

More classier than you'll ever be. And where exactly did I tell you what you experienced? 

Stay stupid. It suits you.

This one's from the Ray Comfort school of ignorance, and the Ken Ham school of arrogance and persecution complexes.

Also seems to have a science degree from the same school that gave Hovind his "Ph.D".