(November 13, 2018 at 3:06 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: She claimed she is certain. I believe her, because God only veils himself from people who's actions are for other then Him/Her/It.

If she sincerely sought to know God it's possibly he unveiled a great portion of his light and reality to her.

Certainty isn't indication of dick squat. People who simply double down because they are certain are simply behaving foolishly. It explains a lot about you.

(November 13, 2018 at 3:05 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 2:48 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Sure thing. Lets see....

Energy bigger than this planet? A planet is energy?  
Force of energy? Or did you mean form of energy?   If not: What is "force of energy"?   Please elaborate.  

Did you maybe mean energy of this planet? What energy of this planet? The kinetic energy in orbit? The rotational energy around its axis? The chemical energy? The total mass-equivalent according to Albert E.? The thermal energy from radiactive decay in its core? The energy of its magnetic field? The potential energy from being within the suns gravitational field?
How big is the energy of this entire planet anyway?  
How did you determine the energy of this entire planet?  
Is his massive force of energy bigger than.....Saturn too (including rings)?

Please define what this (seemingly common between god and earth, since his energy seems not to be different, just bigger) *energy* is? Do you mean energy as in "Joule"? I suppose not.

Sorry for asking, but unlike you i never was in a program for the gifted.  

And if Everena could also provide just one example in nature of energy maintaining a persistent complex structure without the use of matter ...

It even more energy than in an entire box of Cocoa Puffs.
Woweeeeeey.

(November 13, 2018 at 3:09 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 3:06 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: She claimed she is certain. I believe her, because God only veils himself from people who's actions are for other then Him/Her/It.

If she sincerely sought to know God it's possibly he unveiled a great portion of his light and reality to her.

Certainty isn't indication of dick squat.  People who simply double down because they are certain are simply behaving foolishly.  It explains a lot about you.

Or the Quran description of people who try to bring people down to their level of doubt rather then seeking to be lifted to a level of perception of certainty, better explains it.

(November 13, 2018 at 5:33 am)Pandæmonium Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 5:13 pm)Everena Wrote: We only suffer through pain that we have intentionally caused to others in this life or in past lives, and especially to our other half/soulmate since they are the ones we can damage the most.  I refuse to believe in an unfair and unjust cold, cruel universe theory. Sorry, that explanation will never make any sense to me.

So children who suffer and die in, say, war, or through a terminal illness, only have themselves to blame?

Looks like you’re the one who is cold and cruel, not to mention totally sick and abhorrent, and a troll.

If your beliefs are the key to ‘eternal life’, then leave us out. None of us could be so intellectually dishonest, or so mentally vacant, as to deceive and degrade ourselves to the level you have. You have sacrificed your humanity for a lie, and you’ll never get it back. Gutted for you, I guess.

The suffering is happening either way and you just don't want to believe you will be held accountable for your any of your actions.

  As someone who has suffered through quite a bit of pain both as a child and as an adult, I would much rather have an explanation for the pain, rather than think it was just happening to me for no reason at all. And it has the benefit of a positive outcome as well.

(November 13, 2018 at 2:59 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 2:52 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Um, WTF?! 😂  Okay, I’ll tell you what; I’ll divorce my husband and marry YOU, when you finally see the clear proofs from the Bible that I have presented.  Don’t worry; give it some time.  You’ll get there, my little Christian in denial! ❤️

As appealing as that is , I would emphasize to stick to your husband for life even if he remains Atheist.

Uh...obvious joke was obvious. 

(November 13, 2018 at 3:10 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 3:09 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Certainty isn't indication of dick squat.  People who simply double down because they are certain are simply behaving foolishly.  It explains a lot about you.

Or the Quran description of people who try to bring people down to their level of doubt rather then seeking to be lifted to a level of perception of certainty, better explains it.

That doesn't make any sense Mystic. That doesn't in any way challenge my conclusion. Being raised to a level of certainty is without merit unless that certainty is based on justifiable reasons, not simply egotistical conviction in one's own beliefs.

(November 13, 2018 at 3:01 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Your advice is stupid, as well as your belief that being certain is an indicator of anything beyond certainty, and perhaps, an irrationally inflated ego.

Anyway, we're not talking about Mohammed here, but lesser mortals whose certainty is eminently impeachable, such as Everena here. Your advice, I repeat, is stupid. Though I have no doubt that you follow it. You have once again been led astray by ridiculously self-serving and flawed epistemology and arguments. That which you didn't just pull from your ass, such as that honesty leads to truth or that certainty alone is any indication of truth. You follow a flawed book because you follow flawed rules.

Sorry. Not sorry. This thread does not deserve the 675 pages that it has grown into.

Everena, you can't go make the universe and why it is, per your explanation, and expect others to believe.

I made whole concept of hero building for problem of evil in my Deist days. It didn't make sense yet I believed it.

The thing is ALL POSSIBLE EXPLANATIONS of why the world is the way it is, IF THERE IS ONLY ONE POSSIBLE EXPLANATION to explain, THEN ALL OTHER POSSIBLE EXPLANATIONS ARE FALSE.

This is why Atheism is just as a rational stance as Theism.

And with all the religions explanations being presented in the worse way possible.... we live in dark times indeed.

As a deist, I was not more rational to believe in God then to be nihilistic and just go with emotional investment of love without justifying love, but just acting on it.

And the problem of evil is not to be solved by whimsical explanations!

God owes an explanation and we ought to search for it.

(November 13, 2018 at 3:11 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 5:33 am)Pandæmonium Wrote: So children who suffer and die in, say, war, or through a terminal illness, only have themselves to blame?

Looks like you’re the one who is cold and cruel, not to mention totally sick and abhorrent, and a troll.

If your beliefs are the key to ‘eternal life’, then leave us out. None of us could be so intellectually dishonest, or so mentally vacant, as to deceive and degrade ourselves to the level you have. You have sacrificed your humanity for a lie, and you’ll never get it back. Gutted for you, I guess.

The suffering is happening either way

Correct, The Suffering™ is happening either way.  The only difference between our universes, on that count..is that in yours, god is inflicting that suffering upon you (and every other thing that can suffer) in order to refine your soul.  In mine, it's not.  

Quote:and you just don't want to believe you will be held accountable for your any of your actions.

Yet another one of those things commonly found on stupid lists of things to say to atheists which has nothing to do with atheism or meat fairies.  

Quote:  As someone who has suffered through quite a bit of pain both as a child and as an adult, I would much rather have an explanation for the pain, rather than think it was just happening to me for no reason at all. And it has the benefit of a positive outcome as well.

You might much rather have an explanation, but that won't make your explanation the correct one..and the fact free explanation you've chosen for no reason other than your desire to possess it lays the responsibility for that suffering on your "soulmate" and his ghost mill...which isn't exactly what I'd call a healthy foundation for love or...really, any relationship.

If it helps you to deal with whatever pain you've suffered..that's fine as far as it goes.

Ever try smoking a bowl?

OTOH, some of us, rather than inventing elaborate fairy tales, directly confront those things which cause us pain. Perhaps you should take a look into the literature comparing those two approaches, to see which correlates more strongly with positive outcomes? If you are using this belief to deal with pain..you owe it to yourself to see if there are better treatment options.

(November 13, 2018 at 3:16 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I made whole concept of hero building for problem of evil in my Deist days.  It didn't make sense yet  I believed it.

Thus abetting everything that I have just been saying to you. Your certainty then didn't inoculate you against nonsense, and it doesn't now. Nor does Mohammed's.