(November 13, 2018 at 3:37 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 3:11 pm)Everena Wrote: The suffering is happening either way and you just don't want to believe you will be held accountable for your any of your actions.

  As someone who has suffered through quite a bit of pain both as a child and as an adult, I would much rather have an explanation for the pain, rather than think it was just happening to me for no reason at all. And it has the benefit of a positive outcome as well.

You appear to be psychopathic and delusional in equal measures. You appear to be an exceptionally dangerous and unfeeling individual who revels in the suffering of others if nothing else but for the imagination of you being so special that you’re in on the ‘secret’ behind it all.

You are sickening person and are a great example to everyone of what not to be as a human.

Everena: Well, there are well over a billion people in this world who believe the exact same thing that I do. Christians and Muslims believe something even worse (that you will burn in hell for all eternity after all the pain and suffering you've gone through here). Combined together that makes up most of the world, so I guess you'll just have live with it. And just ignore me if I bother you so much.

(November 13, 2018 at 4:04 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 1:02 pm)Mathilda Wrote: If it was full of conjecture and speculation then we wouldn't be able to use it in practice. Everena: False, we used quantum mechanics for technology before 2012 when it was finally proven. Now list all the things we use the theory of evolution for. 

Mathilda: Quantum mechanics is irrelevant. Medical drugs have been discovered and engineered because of our understanding of evolution. The theory has also been used for genetic algorithms. I use them every day myselfYou also need to learn what a scientific theory is. The evidence came before the theory. The theory explains the evidence. Otherwise it would be a hypothesis.

You say 'if you ever actually bother to delve into it'. I'd be willing to bet that you don't actually know much about evolution at all. You probably just think that you do.

Demonstrate to us that you actually understand the theory of evolution.

(November 13, 2018 at 3:40 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Khem did not say half of this and if you're going to quote try having something to say about what you've quoted.

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(November 13, 2018 at 5:07 pm)Everena Wrote: [quote='Whateverist' pid='1848152' dateline='1542138025']





Khem did not say half of this and if you're going to quote try having something to say about what you've quoted.

Yes he sure did. Maybe he edited it later, but that is exactly what HE said and he knows it.

(November 13, 2018 at 5:03 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: Well, there are well over a billion people in this world who believe the exact same thing that I do. 

That's a dubious claim unless you can produce these people or at least the cult to which you all belong...and even then..as another thread on these boards is discussing now, those people in those cults often don't know what they're supposed to believe, or what the other members of their cult actually believe..but..like you, are supremely confident that they believe the right things..and the same things.

All of this is plays out in the arena of an appeal to popularity, which will never be anything more than an appeal to popularity.  It makes nothing true and nothing more likely to be true. In fact, the more a person is reduced to such an argument.,.the less likely that they are to have any reason to believe that their beliefs are true in the first place.

If they had one, they'd have gone with that instead...because even they know that they don't put any stock into what a bunch of folks agree with an account of their agreement. You, for example, have no time for biology despite the number of biologists who have arrived at the same conclusions..and in spite of the fact that they, unlike you, can show what they know..rather than conflate their beliefs for knowledge.

Quote:Christians and Muslims believe something even worse (that you will burn in hell for all eternity after all the pain and suffering you've gone through here).

Yes, christians and muslims believe something so radically different from you that they believe that -you- are going to hell.  To compare your beliefs to theirs as though there were even a general agreement is fundamentally dishonest.  You don't even use the term "creator" in a meaningfully similar way.

Quote: Combined together that makes up most of the world, so I guess you'll just have live with it. And just ignore me if I bother you so much.

Combined together, what it represents is a bunch of people who believe wildly disparate shit but avoid those differences out of convenience when they want to make dishonest and fallacious arguments..as you've done.

(November 13, 2018 at 4:39 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 2:18 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Oh well if we're arguing from authority.

I have a masters in evolutionary & adaptive systems. And also a PhD that made heavy use of artificial evolution.

You're talking shite.

Everena: You have a Phd in nothing if you are pretending that evolution was the first cause of life, food, or anything that exists on this planet.

Mathilda: I never said evolution was the first cause of life or food or anything that exists on this planet. You are using a strawman argument. Abiogenesis came first. Then Darwinian evolution developed from that.  As I said, you truly do not understand the theory of evolution by natural selection.

(November 13, 2018 at 4:59 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 3:36 pm)Everena Wrote: So what! I don't even like bananas and there are about a zillion other foods besides bananas.

Wait, so you're saying that all foods that you personally like were designed for you.

But not food that other people like.

Nope, I sure did not say that and I doubt you graduated high school. You are not an educated person and every single person that you will ever meet with an actual education will be able to tell you don't have one. So stop lying. You are fooling no one. Not even the other silly atheists on this site are fooled.

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(November 13, 2018 at 5:12 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 4:39 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: You have a Phd in nothing if you are pretending that evolution was the first cause of life, food, or anything that exists on this planet.

Mathilda: I never said evolution was the first cause of life or food or anything that exists on this planet. You are using a strawman argument. Abiogenesis came first. Then Darwinian evolution developed from that.  As I said, you truly do not understand the theory of evolution by natural selection.

Everena: Abiogeneis is a hypothesis and typing things larger does not make them true. Why don't you get an education rather than pretending you have one on the internet?

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(November 13, 2018 at 5:11 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 5:03 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: Well, there are well over a billion people in this world who believe the exact same thing that I do. 

That's a dubious claim unless you can produce these people or at least the cult to which you all belong...Hindus and Buddhists look them up and even then..as another thread on these boards is discussing now, those people in those cults often don't know what they're supposed to believe, or what the other members of their cult actually believe..but..like you, are supremely confident that they believe the right things..and the same things.

All of this is  plays out in the arena of an appeal to popularity, which will never be anything more than an appeal to popularity.  It makes nothing true and nothing more likely to be true.  In fact, the more a person is reduced to such an argument.,.the less likely that they are to have any reason to believe that their beliefs are true in the first place.  

If they had one, they'd have gone with that instead...because even they know that they don't put any stock into what a bunch of folks agree with an account of their agreement.  You, for example, have no time for biology despite the number of biologists who have arrived at the same conclusions..and in spite of the fact that they, unlike you, can show what they know..rather than conflate their beliefs for knowledge.

Quote:Christians and Muslims believe something even worse (that you will burn in hell for all eternity after all the pain and suffering you've gone through here).

Yes, christians and muslims believe something so radically different from you that they believe that -you- are going to hell.  To compare your beliefs to theirs as though there were even a general agreement is fundamentally dishonest.  You don't even use the term "creator" in a meaningfully similar way.

Quote: Combined together that makes up most of the world, so I guess you'll just have live with it. And just ignore me if I bother you so much.

Combined together, what it represents is a bunch of people who believe wildly disparate shit but avoid those differences out of convenience when they want to make dishonest and fallacious arguments..as you've done.

You also believe in a form of abiogenesis.  Are your beliefs OBVIOUSLY TRUE DOUBLEPLUS SO-GOOD!!!.....or not?

(November 13, 2018 at 5:16 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 5:12 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Mathilda: I never said evolution was the first cause of life or food or anything that exists on this planet. You are using a strawman argument. Abiogenesis came first. Then Darwinian evolution developed from that.  As I said, you truly do not understand the theory of evolution by natural selection.

Everena: Abiogeneis is a hypothesis and typing things larger does not make them true. Why don't you get an education rather than pretending you have one on the internet?

Mathilda: Abiogenesis is more than a hypothesis and typing things in bold while everyone avoids it does not make them true.

(November 13, 2018 at 5:16 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: Abiogeneis is a hypothesis and typing things larger does not make them true. Why don't you get an education rather than pretending you have one on the internet?

Does putting them in boldface make them true? For someone with as much education as you claim, you have amazing difficulty mastering something most people master rather quickly.

Wow. She's talked to a billion people, and knows they believe the exact same thing as she does ...
that would include that her god is an energy ball .... wait for it .... a ball bigger than the Earth.
OMG.
Sign me up.
The religion of big balls.