(November 14, 2018 at 3:52 pm)Everena Wrote: Provide evidence that conclusively proves that one species turns into an entirely different species. Go ahead. If it is proven. like you say, then there should be a very easy to find link to all this proof of it happening. I'll be waiting.

Antheraea oculea is a subspecies of Antheraea polyphemus. These giant Saturniid silk moths have overlapping geographical ranges and limited ability to interbreed. Fertility studies between the two confirm that oculea is a species caught in the very act of evolving.

Source: The Wild Silk Moths of North America. Paul M. Tuskes, James P. Tuttle, Michael M. Collins: Cornell University Press (1996); Pg. 179

(November 15, 2018 at 12:36 am)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(November 14, 2018 at 3:52 pm)Everena Wrote: Provide evidence that conclusively proves that one species turns into an entirely different species. Go ahead. If it is proven. like you say, then there should be a very easy to find link to all this proof of it happening. I'll be waiting.

Antheraea oculea is a subspecies of Antheraea polyphemus. These giant Saturniid silk moths have overlapping geographical ranges and limited ability to interbreed. Fertility studies between the two confirm that oculea is a species caught in the very act of evolving.

Source: The Wild Silk Moths of North America. Paul M. Tuskes, James P. Tuttle, Michael M. Collins: Cornell University Press (1996); Pg. 179

Oh no that's "just adaption " or she will shift the goal and demand some outlandish creationist straw man of evolution .

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Of course she's totally clueless that their is more then one kind of such diversification

(November 15, 2018 at 12:44 am)Tizheruk Wrote:

(November 15, 2018 at 12:36 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: Antheraea oculea is a subspecies of Antheraea polyphemus. These giant Saturniid silk moths have overlapping geographical ranges and limited ability to interbreed. Fertility studies between the two confirm that oculea is a species caught in the very act of evolving.

Source: The Wild Silk Moths of North America. Paul M. Tuskes, James P. Tuttle, Michael M. Collins: Cornell University Press (1996); Pg. 179

Oh no that's "just adaption " or she will shift the goal and demand some outlandish creationist straw man of evolution .

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Of course she's totally clueless that their is more then one kind of such diversification

I'm not clueless about anything. I have never one time shifted the goal, nor can you provide any example of that outright lie you just stated about me.

 And what I have to say about the post is, first, I appreciate you finding and posting that for me. However, it is not evidence of one species turning into an entirely different species and all anyone can produce is plants and a germ and I do not find that convincing

 I told them that from the get go, that all they would find as evidence was plants, and a germ and tons of proof of adaption, but they still insisted that what plants are doing is direct evidence that every species on earth has turned into an entirely different species and if I do not happen to agree with them about that and immediately accept it as fact then I am just a stupid creationist who does not understand science.

This is my last post to you 

YOUR ON IGNORE DON'T SEND ME RESPONSES AND ANY YOU DO SEND FROM NOW ON WILL BE IGNORED !!!

(November 14, 2018 at 9:22 pm)Joods Wrote:

(November 14, 2018 at 9:19 pm)Everena Wrote: No thanks, God's not interested and neither am I. Why don't you go fuck yourself like always Mr Ditto  

Oh how original you are. Dumb ass. I'm not a guy. 

Don't you have some street corner to walk right about now? You did say you had to go to work, right?

Oh I can see you marked yourself as a female in your forum profile Mr Ditto 

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(November 15, 2018 at 1:40 am)Tizheruk Wrote: This is my last post to you 

YOUR ON IGNORE DON'T SEND ME RESPONSES AND ANY YOU DO SEND FROM NOW ON WILL BE IGNORED !!!

Oh boo hoo  

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(November 14, 2018 at 8:48 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(November 14, 2018 at 8:27 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: Not when it's occuring in plants. I am not a plant and nowhere in the theory of evol does it show us with a common ancestor of plants so.....

Lol,wut? Please explain why speciation can occur within some life forms but not others.  Citations please.  I’ll get my popcorn.
Ev: Citations about what exactly? I thought you were familiar with the theory of evol. I think it's all adaption. I would need more proof to believe all that adaption was one species turning into another species.

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(November 14, 2018 at 8:25 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Just put Everena on ignore . But i'll keep  CDF open as i don't find him all that bad .

I think they’re the same person.

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(November 14, 2018 at 9:06 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Ok, Everena, here's a very specific question for you to answer.

What is it with whales having leg bones?

Everena: Well that is interesting stuff, but not proof really. Just a hypothesis. Maybe the water was more shallow and they needed legs at one time to walk through some it. The point is, we don't know. What amazes me about atheists is that you are willing to believe any guess from science and worship these people like they are your God. However you refuse to appy simply logic and realize that higher intelligence was necessary for this universe and all conscious life to come to be. I mean why do we have legs? Eyes, nose, ears, arms, fingers. Pretty handy stuff....

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(November 14, 2018 at 8:51 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 14, 2018 at 8:44 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: If your willing to stake your life on it, you should have a good argument or some proof to back it up at least. You have nothing. Not even a shred of evidence that disproves God.

My life isn't at stake on the basis of god belief in the first place.
Everena: You have no way of knowing if that is true or not. I mean if the Christians are right.... and there are billions of them and they might be. I know I had some amazing experiences with God when I went to church (stepping into the light, power of God felt in church, Holy spirit communicating to me after being baptized) and those are not even the experienes I had that proved God to me beyond any doubt. So what I'm saying is I really do know that God exists beyond any doubt,  and although I do not think the Bible is the word of God, I do think it is possible that is inspired by prophets of God. And I mean, why take your chances? Atheism can't be that fun. It certainly doesn't seem fun and at least God is super fun. 

.and regardless of whether I have evidence that disproves god....I do have evidence and have presented that evidence to you, that speciation events occur. 
Everena: Adaption occured John-nee, adaption..... and you can't prove it wasn't just adaption. 
If there is a meat fairy, speciation events occur.   
Ev: There is a God. There is no such thing as a meat fairy!
If there is not a meat fairy, speciation events occur.

The takeaway from either state of affairs is that you misspoke.  End of.  

Quote:Everena: Warned that you most likely will be held accountable for all your actions. 

I already am.  I'm fine with it.  It's one of the reasons I couldn't be a christian, for example.  I wouldn't kill the better man to pay for my parking tickets even if that were an option.  Disgusting religion.
Ev: Its not a bad religion comparatively. There are just some assholes who pretend to be Christian and use it an excuse to hate on other ppl

Nothing....to do...with atheism.

Quote:Everena: Total rubbish. They are not plants, but make up any crap you want to fit into your fairy tale that you think could occur without  intelligence. Keep telling your self that this entire universe just magically appeared for no reason and with no purpose and without any intelligence so we could all live unequally for short periods of time and then die and go nowhere. If that makes sense to you, then fine. 

What isn't a plant?  Protists?
  Ev: NOT A PLANT
 I just told you that.  Just as I've already told you that I don't think the entire universe magically appeared for no reason.  
Ev: Oh good, because it didn't. Now go tell everyone else in here.
It doesn't really matter what "makes sense"..however you're using that term*.  That is what happens.  

If there are meat fairies, we live unequally for short periods of time and then die and go nowhere.
Ev:There is no such thing as a meat fairie. There is a God and a reason everything happens and we have eternal life
If there are not meat fairies, we live unequally for short periods of time and then die and go nowhere.
Ev: Not possible
* I strongly suspect that when you say something doesn't "make sense", it means something more like "this scares the piss out of me".
Everena: I know God exists beyond and all doubt and I no longer fear death at all. Yes I used to fear death, but I did not spend a lot of time thinking about it because I like to be all   all the time.  Or at least as much of the time as I can.

I see Dumb ass can quote several people but still refuses to respond outside of quoted text. And she refutes the evidence that has, once again, been provided.

NOW can we please get rid of this fucking troll?

(November 15, 2018 at 1:58 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 14, 2018 at 9:06 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Ok, Everena, here's a very specific question for you to answer.

What is it with whales having leg bones?

Everena: Well that is interesting stuff, but not proof really. Just a hypothesis. Maybe the water was more shallow and they needed legs at one time to walk through some it. The point is, we don't know. What amazes me about atheists is that you are willing to believe any guess from science and worship these people like they are your God. However you refuse to appy simply logic and realize that higher intelligence was necessary for this universe and all conscious life to come to be. I mean why do we have legs? Eyes, nose, ears, arms, fingers. Pretty handy stuff....

Well, the standard explanation is that whales evolved from land mammals, hence the vestigial leg bones.

So next specific question:

Why is the path of the recurrent laryngeal nerve from the brain to the larynx not a straight path, but follows an unnecessarily long-winded path that can only be explained by large-scale evolution?

(November 15, 2018 at 4:13 am)Joods Wrote: I see Dumb ass can quote several people but still refuses to respond outside of quoted text. And she refutes the evidence that has, once again, been provided.

NOW can we please get rid of this fucking troll?

Yes, if you reply within 20 minutes (I think) of the previous reply, and no one has replied yet, the forum concatenates all your replies and adds a nice horizontal line in between, like this:

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So, no.... she just didn't even care to read my post on how to properly quote people in the forum.
Or maybe it's a comprehension thing.
Or a "this has been working for 2 days, so let's keep it up"


@Everena, honestly, this hasn't been working. I can't read your replies, just because you put them in bold. It doesn't work with my eyes...

(November 15, 2018 at 4:46 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(November 15, 2018 at 4:13 am)Joods Wrote: I see Dumb ass can quote several people but still refuses to respond outside of quoted text. And she refutes the evidence that has, once again, been provided.

NOW can we please get rid of this fucking troll?

Yes, if you reply within 20 minutes (I think) of the previous reply, and no one has replied yet, the forum concatenates all your replies and adds a nice horizontal line in between, like this:

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So, no.... she just didn't even care to read my post on how to properly quote people in the forum.
Or maybe it's a comprehension thing.
Or a "this has been working for 2 days, so let's keep it up"


@Everena, honestly, this hasn't been working. I can't read your replies, just because you put them in bold. It doesn't work with my eyes...

Indeed the quote is super easy to use seriously

(November 15, 2018 at 4:46 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(November 15, 2018 at 4:13 am)Joods Wrote: I see Dumb ass can quote several people but still refuses to respond outside of quoted text. And she refutes the evidence that has, once again, been provided.

NOW can we please get rid of this fucking troll?

Yes, if you reply within 20 minutes (I think) of the previous reply, and no one has replied yet, the forum concatenates all your replies and adds a nice horizontal line in between, like this:

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So, no.... she just didn't even care to read my post on how to properly quote people in the forum.
Or maybe it's a comprehension thing.
Or a "this has been working for 2 days, so let's keep it up"


@Everena, honestly, this hasn't been working. I can't read your replies, just because you put them in bold. It doesn't work with my eyes...

Just do brief responses with her. She's more likely to respond to the whole post in one go that way, thus not messing up the quote system.