(November 16, 2018 at 4:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 16, 2018 at 6:46 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: And thus your argument falls apart.

How do you discern that DNA was obviously designed if everything is designed?

You simply have no basis to make that determination.

Because DNA is the proof.  There is actual information found in DNA, not Shannon information.

How are you distinguishing between the information found in DNA and Shannon information?

(November 16, 2018 at 4:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 16, 2018 at 6:46 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: And thus your argument falls apart.

How do you discern that DNA was obviously designed if everything is designed?

You simply have no basis to make that determination.

Because DNA is the proof.  There is actual information found in DNA, not Shannon information.

Pretty sure we've been through all of this already?

(November 16, 2018 at 4:15 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: Evolution is not observable or demonstratable. They have some fairly good reasons for thinking so and that is all.

Actually you are totally incompetent to say anything about it.
They actually HAVE observed it happen.
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar...sistantcod

You're just too much of a dishonest hate-filled hag to go take an honest look.
(And I mean that in the nicest way possible).

(November 16, 2018 at 4:18 pm)Khemikal Wrote: It's silly to say so when you've been provided facts to the contrary, don't you think?  You could only insist that despite of the fact that evolution both is and has been observed, and can be and has been demonstrated, you refuse to accept it nevertheless.

Everena: One species turning into an entirely different species has never been observed. What they are calling speciation could just as easily be adaption.

(November 16, 2018 at 4:18 pm)Khemikal Wrote:  Just as you refused to accept, for example.. a universe of cold and cruel suffering....despite insisting that this planet was made specifically to inflict cold cruel suffering upon us, in order to refine our souls.

Everena: I refuse to accept that this is an unfair, unjust universe, that is true.  People with their own free will have chosen to intentionally hurt others knowing it was wrong. History is loaded with horrible behavior of humans. I determined my beliefs by considering that the concept of karma exists in every religion, and by observing my environment.
All around us people are doing kind and wonderful things. All around us people are joyous and celebrating. All around us people are doing horrifying, terrible things. All around us people are suffering and in pain.

Also, the Catholic priests and nuns and monks take a vow of celibacy after claiming to hear a "calling" And they preach against masturbation etc.
And we spay and neuter pets and put animals in cages. Just sayin'- And most importantly, it's the only thing that would make this a fair and just universe.

Ahem.  Speciation is adaptation repeated a number of times.

You know creatures can adapt, and then their descendants can adapt some more, right?

Like your ancesters adapted to the need to be smarter than Iron Age wishthinkers, which is why you have the printed and electronic mediums in which to read Iron Age creationist literature.   You, unfortunately freed from threat of extinction due to stupidity, then adapted to the desire to be dumber than Iron Age wishthinkers, which is why you believed them.

But unlike you, other creatures are able to adapt in one step forward, and other step forward manner, not one step forward and two step back manner like you.

(November 16, 2018 at 4:37 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 16, 2018 at 4:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Because DNA is the proof.  There is actual information found in DNA, not Shannon information.

How are you distinguishing between the information found in DNA and Shannon information?

Made up gibberish he read in a creationist blog .

There is no "information" in DNA ... other than what chemistry knows about chemical bonds.
It's a made up pile of nonsense that religionists (Lee Stoebel) invented to foist on an ignorant public to make money.
It's snake-oil.

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(November 16, 2018 at 4:47 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: I refuse to accept that this is an unfair, unjust universe, that is true.  People with their own free will have chosen to intentionally hurt others knowing it was wrong. History is loaded with horrible behavior of humans. I determined my beliefs by considering that the concept of karma exists in every religion, and by observing my environment.
All around us people are doing kind and wonderful things. All around us people are joyous and celebrating. All around us people are doing horrifying, terrible things. All around us people are suffering and in pain.

Also, the Catholic priests and nuns and monks take a vow of celibacy after claiming to hear a "calling" And they preach against masturbation etc.
And we spay and neuter pets and put animals in cages. Just sayin'- And most importantly, it's the only thing that would make this a fair and just universe.

Exactly. Make up any California karma woo-woo that makes you feel all nice.
Pile of crap.
What some woomeister "refuses to accept" is of no interest to anyone.

(November 16, 2018 at 5:07 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: There is no "information" in DNA ... other than what chemistry knows about chemical bonds.
It's a made up pile of nonsense that religionists (Lee Stoebel) invented to foist on an ignorant public to make money.
It's snake-oil.

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(November 16, 2018 at 4:47 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: I refuse to accept that this is an unfair, unjust universe, that is true.  People with their own free will have chosen to intentionally hurt others knowing it was wrong. History is loaded with horrible behavior of humans. I determined my beliefs by considering that the concept of karma exists in every religion, and by observing my environment.
All around us people are doing kind and wonderful things. All around us people are joyous and celebrating. All around us people are doing horrifying, terrible things. All around us people are suffering and in pain.

Also, the Catholic priests and nuns and monks take a vow of celibacy after claiming to hear a "calling" And they preach against masturbation etc.
And we spay and neuter pets and put animals in cages. Just sayin'- And most importantly, it's the only thing that would make this a fair and just universe.

Exactly. Make up any California karma woo-woo that makes you feel all nice.
Pile of crap.
What some woomeister "refuses to accept" is of no interest to anyone.

Exactly, she felt this way since she was 3, and never understood the need to feel differently so she remains 3.


Btw, be careful with slighting California. I live here.

(November 16, 2018 at 4:47 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: One species turning into an entirely different species has never been observed. What they are calling speciation could just as easily be adaption.

OFC it has and you've been provided the information.  That you refuse to accept speciation in spite of speciation having been observed is a you problem, not an evidence problem.

Quote:Everena: I refuse to accept that this is an unfair, unjust universe, that is true.  People with their own free will have chosen to intentionally hurt others knowing it was wrong. History is loaded with horrible behavior of humans. I determined my beliefs by considering that the concept of karma exists in every religion, and by observing my environment.
All around us people are doing kind and wonderful things. All around us people are joyous and celebrating. All around us people are doing horrifying, terrible things. All around us people are suffering and in pain.

You've asserted that this world is a soul mill, EV.  You don't refuse to believe it, you know that it;s true and have invented another world to make it better.  As though handing you a candy bar will cover for having cut off your arm.  

: shrugs :

I suppose it would take more self awareness than you possess to answer my question.  

Quote:Also, the Catholic priests and nuns and monks take a vow of celibacy after claiming to hear a "calling" And they preach against masturbation etc.
And we spay and neuter pets and put animals in cages. Just sayin'- And most importantly, it's the only thing that would make this a fair and just universe.

-then, again, you see that it -is- an unfair and unjust universe.  Your theology depends on it.  You've asserted a soul making theodicy in order to answer that observation.

Yay, MK has thrown himself into this already a train-wreck of a thread. Great. Still preaching the Quran, even after admitting what a dipshit he sounds like when he does it.