(November 17, 2018 at 11:34 am)Everena Wrote:  God is the ONLY logical assumption anyone can make.

Still false.  It's not even clear that meat fairies are among the many logical assumptions or conclusions that one could make.  It's certainly true, otoh, that the meat fairy you've described is demonstrably non existent.  

Quote:God is 100% likely to exist.

Still missing any math.

Quote:You just don't want to believe in God, but God exists regardless of what you or any other atheist wants.

Still nothing to do with atheism.

(November 17, 2018 at 11:23 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 11:16 am)Everena Wrote: Are you claiming they weren't telling everyone to lower their overall cholesterol in the 80s and 90s? And this was all over the world for decades due to science being absolutely sure it was fact. What we know now, is NOT what we knew then. The scientist who published the first huge world wide study purposely left out huge amounts of information to prove his hypothesis. The other scientists took his word for it and just made a quick buck by saying they had the same results. And people's lives were at stake. And guess how much they cared? You can read about this on the web. And you think I should just blindly trust the "experts"? Well I don't and you shouldn't either but it's your life.

The problem with this is as follows.  In as much as your comments reflect skepticism and agnosticism regarding the truth, you are fine.  Insofar as you are making claims that can be supported, defeated, rendered meaningless, or otherwise mooted, your arguments are subject to the same criticisms that one can level against any hypothesis, and specifically scientific hypotheses.  Insofar as you seem to my eye to apply differing standards to the two, you are guilty of special pleading, and your conclusions on that account are therefore not reliable nor necessarily true.

Use logic and you get God. It is that simple. You just don't want to believe in God, so you will use any excuse to deny that logic that leads the rest of us there.

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(November 17, 2018 at 11:34 am)Everena Wrote: Still waiting to find out what you are claiming that I don't understand. And you are definitely not smarter than anyone.

(November 17, 2018 at 11:19 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Oh, I am definitely smarter than you by far.    Whether I am smarter than any other particular individual besides you, that’s much harder to say.

The result is if you apply the method of fact finding that has proven repeatedly to work to the question, then such entity as you might envision as god is overwhelmingly unlikely to have existed.

You are not smarter than anyone, that is your own delusion, and you still haven't backed up your claim about me with anything. God is the ONLY logical assumption anyone can make. God is 100% likely to exist. You just don't want to believe in God, but God exists regardless of what you or any other atheist wants.

Not anyone, but you, definitely.

(November 17, 2018 at 11:38 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 11:23 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: The problem with this is as follows.  In as much as your comments reflect skepticism and agnosticism regarding the truth, you are fine.  Insofar as you are making claims that can be supported, defeated, rendered meaningless, or otherwise mooted, your arguments are subject to the same criticisms that one can level against any hypothesis, and specifically scientific hypotheses.  Insofar as you seem to my eye to apply differing standards to the two, you are guilty of special pleading, and your conclusions on that account are therefore not reliable nor necessarily true.

Use logic and you get God. It is that simple. You just don't want to believe in God, so you will use any excuse to deny that logic that leads the rest of us there.

I've been accused of many things, but as I think most here can attest, denying logic is not in any way characteristic of me. Maybe you're just projecting.

(November 17, 2018 at 11:39 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: ........................................

Hmmm, I suppose a more accurate emoticon for the circumstance would be considered too obscene.

(November 17, 2018 at 11:29 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 11:27 am)Everena Wrote: You mean delusional? Well, I'm not...

As someone who has been delusional I have to ask the rather obvious question.  If you were delusional, then how would you know?

Do you mean when I was 4 years old and pulled out of my body during abuse? Or do you mean when he and I had the mutual/shared experiences? Very unlikely that we would both be delusional at the same time and even if we were, it is even more unlikely that we would have the exact same delusion. And that is not even what has me totally convinced, although it got me 90% of the way towards knowing. The other 40 plus unexplainable signs pushed me to 100% and these are not things that can even be delusions. Some force grabbed my steering wheel and pulled me back on the road when my car drifted into oncoming traffic and saved me from a head on collision with a truck. I have had dreams that I wrote down and years later the things I had dreamed actually happened. When my mom was dying of cancer, a presense woke me up at 4:02 am the morning she died  and I found out later that day that that was exactly the time she passed away. I do know none of these were delusions and I also know none of the signs were delusions.

(November 17, 2018 at 11:55 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 11:29 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: As someone who has been delusional I have to ask the rather obvious question.  If you were delusional, then how would you know?

Do you mean when I was 4 years old and pulled out of my body during abuse? Or do you mean when he and I had the mutual/shared experiences? Very unlikely that we would both be delusional at the same time and even if we were, it is even more unlikely that we would have the exact same delusion. And that is not even what has me totally convinced, although it got me 90% of the way towards knowing. The other 40 plus unexplainable signs pushed me to 100% and these are not things that can even be delusions. Some force grabbed my steering wheel and pulled me back on the road when my car drifted into oncoming traffic and saved me from a head on collision with a truck. I have had dreams that I wrote down and years later the things I had dreamed actually happened. When my mom was dying of cancer, a presense woke me up at 4:02 am the morning she died  and I found out later that day that that was exactly the time she passed away. I do know none of these were delusions and I also know none of the signs were delusions.

I mean in general, regarding your conclusion that reason and logic inevitably point to God, and not just any god, but your specific god. I'd also ask it of your apparent belief that you are as knowledgable and intelligent with respect to the topics at issue, and your apparent belief that you are, "kicking ass and taking names."

Your soul doesn't appear to have been refined on account of that abuse.  Or, if it has been..I can only imagine how sorry a state it was in prior.

(November 17, 2018 at 11:30 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 11:27 am)Everena Wrote: You mean delusional? Well, I'm not and all life is made up of is our experiences. If you don't trust yourself and your own experiences and you would rather have some moron tell you what you experienced, go right ahead. I do trust myself.

Obviously how you found yourself in such a hilarious position to begin with.

Quote:And God is the only logical conclusion anyone can make in addition to me trusting myself and my own experiences.

False, prima facie.  

Quote:Also, it is very unlikely that 93% of the world is delusional.

93% of the world doesn't claim to have had your experience.  Yet another example of your bottomless penchant for dishonesty and fallacious argumentation.

Maybe it's just you?  Maybe you're the only delusional believer?  The rest aren't..and atheists are wrong..but so are you.  Womp womp.7

49% of the United States has had a spiritual experience that proved God to them. That is 160 million people just in the US and I think everyone has these experiences at different points in their life.  http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/200...periences/