(November 17, 2018 at 11:41 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 11:38 am)Everena Wrote: Use logic and you get God. It is that simple. You just don't want to believe in God, so you will use any excuse to deny that logic that leads the rest of us there.

I've been accused of many things, but as I think most here can attest, denying logic is not in any way characteristic of me.  Maybe you're just projecting.

(November 17, 2018 at 12:10 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: Well, you certainly cannot demonstate that God is non existent and no one else in the world can demonstrate that God is non existent so....

Quote:Really? Explain how DNA could just create itself then.

(November 17, 2018 at 11:57 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 11:55 am)Everena Wrote: Do you mean when I was 4 years old and pulled out of my body during abuse? Or do you mean when he and I had the mutual/shared experiences? Very unlikely that we would both be delusional at the same time and even if we were, it is even more unlikely that we would have the exact same delusion. And that is not even what has me totally convinced, although it got me 90% of the way towards knowing. The other 40 plus unexplainable signs pushed me to 100% and these are not things that can even be delusions. Some force grabbed my steering wheel and pulled me back on the road when my car drifted into oncoming traffic and saved me from a head on collision with a truck. I have had dreams that I wrote down and years later the things I had dreamed actually happened. When my mom was dying of cancer, a presense woke me up at 4:02 am the morning she died  and I found out later that day that that was exactly the time she passed away. I do know none of these were delusions and I also know none of the signs were delusions.

I mean in general, regarding your conclusion that reason and logic inevitably point to God, and not just any god, but your specific god.  I'd also ask it of your apparent belief that you are as knowledgable and intelligent with respect to the topics at issue, and your apparent belief that you are, "kicking ass and taking names."

(November 17, 2018 at 12:17 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 11:41 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I've been accused of many things, but as I think most here can attest, denying logic is not in any way characteristic of me.  Maybe you're just projecting.

Really? Explain how DNA could just create itself then. Explain how this entire universe could just create itself. Explain why we have food for 7.8 million different species of conscious life on this planet. Explain why we have a sex drive and a will to live. Why would nothingness even care if we had genitals, a sex drive, consciousness, emotions or a will to live? Nothingness cannot care. Explain why on top of all that and our amazing abilities to see and smell and hear and feel, and to think, why we also have a planet with electricity, fire, and a vast amount of useful materials and resources? There is too much luck and chance you have to believe as an atheist --to the point that it goes beyond what any rational thinking person would believe.

(November 17, 2018 at 12:22 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 11:57 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I mean in general, regarding your conclusion that reason and logic inevitably point to God, and not just any god, but your specific god.  I'd also ask it of your apparent belief that you are as knowledgable and intelligent with respect to the topics at issue, and your apparent belief that you are, "kicking ass and taking names."

 
I don't have a specific God. There is one creator God that we all believe in, but because we are all different, people relate to God in the way that makes the most sense to them personally. I did not say I was kicking ass and taking names. I just said you were making false claims about me being proven wrong. A lot of the discussions have come down to just different opinions and beliefs that cannot accurately be judged as right or wrong.