It's a ridiculously worded assertion.  OFC inanimate objects didn't create a planet teaming with conscious life.  Conscious life did that, and it's... by definition..animate. As usual, the explanation for the subject of her ignorance is more of the same.

Us. We used our dicks. That's what created this planet teaming with life. It would otherwise be a lifeless rock.

(November 20, 2018 at 2:44 pm)no one Wrote: CaveTroll:
We always have been and always will be. It has nothing to do with the theory of space-time.

The Meth is strong with this one.

Lol, “cave troll”.

(November 20, 2018 at 3:46 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: OKay.. and I appologize for the quotes being all screwed to heck-an'-back, but walk though this with me Everena.
Uhm..... are you not understanding my posts?
How does your Overmind interact with our reality in the here and now?
Cheers?

(November 20, 2018 at 2:41 pm)Everena Wrote: It doesn't. And why do you keep saying cheers? Are you a drunk?

Though the concept may stretch credulity, there's good physics behind it. And there's not just one way to get to a multiverse — numerous physics theories independently point to such a conclusion. In fact, some experts think the existence of hidden universes is more likely than not.
I do not believe in a God that interacts with our reality, as I just said.

(November 20, 2018 at 3:46 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  So... you're position is that your Overmind is 13 odd billion years in the past/away from us. That your Overmind kicked everything off and then... it's all been on its won from then till now. Right? I'm not mixing anything up with this, am I?

(November 20, 2018 at 2:41 pm)Everena Wrote: No, God always has been and always will be as I have already told you

(November 20, 2018 at 3:46 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Now, here's the problem. If your Overmind simply just kicked everything off 13 odd billion years ago and "I do not believe in a God that interacts with our reality," then we CAN NOT have anything resembling 'Free will' since EVRYTHING is unfloding exactly as your Overmind set into motion 13 odd billion years ago. Right?

(November 20, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Everena Wrote: There is no problem except the one you've invented in your deluded and drunk head. Work on your reading comphension skills. And God did not set anything into motion except the planet that feeds us and provides us with an enormous amount of useful materials and resources. We are eternal souls, just like God, only imperfect. We are here to learn to be better people. This is our challenge. This is not God's challenge.

So.. since you've stated that your Overmind DOES NOT interact with our reality... This is now nothing but an assertion. There's NOTHING in this reality with which your Overmind has interacted with to SHOW it's existence. Right?

(November 20, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Everena Wrote: If God showed it's existence, most of the world would commit suicide, defeating our purpose here.

 If your Overmind doesn't interact with this reality then HOW can it possibly teach/show us anything? Escpecially since it's 13 odd billions years away and in the past.

Everena: God is not "in the past" We die here and awake in another universe that we have always lived in, and that is where God is our guide and teacher and example of perfection for us to strive to become more like.

(November 20, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Everena Wrote: What good are we if we don't work to solve our own problems?

(November 20, 2018 at 3:46 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Well.... we're solving our own problems regardless of your Overmind because, by your own posting, it doesn't interact with our reality in the here and now, does it?
There's an aweful lot of 'Special pleading' and 'Bold assertions' in evidence in your posts to myself Everena. Nothing solid or concrete, as it were.
Cheers.
Not at work.

(November 20, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Everena Wrote: They are my beliefs and they make a lot more sense then pretending the entire universe and all conscious life just magically appeared one day without the use of any intelligence. Perhaps if you go to Alcoholics Anonymous, you will be able to sober up enough to understand.

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(November 20, 2018 at 3:49 pm)TwoKnives99 Wrote:

(November 20, 2018 at 3:34 pm)Everena Wrote: The study of old bones refutes nothing and it is just weird that you think it do

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You asserted that science exists not to answer the whys of existence but "attempts to understand how an already existing and operating universe works in order to improve our lives in numerous ways." 

Paleontology is a science, it is the scientific study of life that existed prior to, and sometimes including, the start of the Holocene Epoch (roughly 11,700 years before present). It includes the study of fossils to determine organisms' evolution and interactions with each other and their environments (their paleoecology).  

Your definition of science essentially implies all sciences are there to understand the workings of the Universe and improve our lives. 

So what Bucky is asking is how does paleontology improve our lives? 

Old bones can refute a lot more than you think

Great go ahead and disprove God with Dino bones. I'm waiting.

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(November 20, 2018 at 6:11 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(November 20, 2018 at 3:28 pm)Everena Wrote: What point are you trying to make?

https://www.space.com/18811-multiple-uni...ories.html
From the article:
Though the concept may stretch credulity, there's good physics behind it. And there's not just one way to get to a multiverse — numerous physics theories independently point to such a conclusion. In fact, some experts think the existence of hidden universes is more likely than not.

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The fact that conscious higher intelligence had to be involved or it doesn't happen. Science is only attempting to understand how God did it.

You are just asserting that intelligence is required for it to happen, you have not provided any evidence to support that view.

There are quite a few ideas of how the big bang could have started that do not require an intelligent agency.

Look it up.

No, there are not ANY and by that I mean there are ZERO ideas of how this universe started that do not 100% require conscious intelligence.

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(November 20, 2018 at 6:43 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 20, 2018 at 3:34 pm)Everena Wrote: Yes it does if you're an atheist. Inanimate objects cannot and did not create a planet teaming with conscious life. There has to be an intelligent and conscious force behind it and absolutely nothing else makes logical sense.

So you're denying hypotheses such as that of Krauss or the hawking-Hartle No-boundary Proposal?  On what basis?  Let's leave abiogenesis and evolution out of it for the moment.  No sense juggling more plates than necessary.

On the basis that they were just looking to make money off your inability to use any logic, and your desire to pretend that God does not exist.

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(November 20, 2018 at 3:15 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: The difference between everena and christards is christards aren’t quite so stupid as to assert based purely and unadulterated “I said so”.   They are actually aware their standing requires some fictional external authority to buttress.

Everena is so stupid she actually thinks her bare assertions could ever mean anything, and repeating them somehow could make them mean more.

Everena: I don't though. I am just sharing my personal beliefs with you and you can take it for what it's worth, which may be nothing to you. What I do know is that God exists, and I know that beyond any and all doubt. I also know we have eternal life, but that is all I know for sure. I also know that you will know the same things I do some day.

(November 20, 2018 at 1:27 pm)TwoKnives99 Wrote:

(November 19, 2018 at 10:54 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I never said it was a retribution system.  He did.  I said it was part of a justice system and included capital punishment in the laws.

No, Everenna tried to argue using the principle of 'an eye for an eye' that vengeance and karma were the same, I argued it wasn't by using the same passage, in the process, I gave some background on the passage, which involved me talking about the law of retribution, not once did I say that our justice system was based on the law of retribution

Oh, OK. Sounds good.

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(November 20, 2018 at 1:33 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 20, 2018 at 1:26 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Reality has always been, at least since the beginning of time, and always will be, at least to the end of time,  yet few who even vaguely resemble a bipedal primate can have so little hope of accessing it at even most superficial level as you.

There was no "beginning of of time" just as there is no "end of time"

That's right.

(November 20, 2018 at 7:43 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 20, 2018 at 6:43 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: So you're denying hypotheses such as that of Krauss or the hawking-Hartle No-boundary Proposal?  On what basis?  Let's leave abiogenesis and evolution out of it for the moment.  No sense juggling more plates than necessary.

On the basis that they were just looking to make money off your inability to use any logic, and your desire to pretend that God does not exist.

Haha. You're such a light weight. I don't know why I even bother. Even if they were simply wanting to make money and exploit my gullibility, that wouldn't make them wrong. Try actually lodging an objection which leads to a logical conclusion before accusing others of not being able to use logic. Instead you just make yourself look like an idiot, which appears to be your specialty.

Do you have any rational objections to their hypotheses?

(November 20, 2018 at 6:39 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: There aren't any ideas about how it happened that -do- require an intelligent agency, lol.

Yes, there is. The Lord said, "let there be light."

Is English the lord's preferred language?

(November 20, 2018 at 8:15 pm)no one Wrote: Is English the lord's preferred language?

Probably Hebrew.

(November 20, 2018 at 8:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 20, 2018 at 6:39 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: There aren't any ideas about how it happened that -do- require an intelligent agency, lol.

Yes, there is.  The Lord said, "let there be light."

And you're sure that it was translated perfectly into English?