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RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?
November 16, 2018 at 5:00 pm
(November 16, 2018 at 3:29 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (November 16, 2018 at 12:56 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Because their doctrine is contrary to Biblical scripture, not to mention they put a man in the place of God...
You are aware that they were the ones who compiled the books into what became the bible, right?
You are aware that all their doctrine is backed up by more than the bible, right? By tradition and by philosophy.
You are aware that the man you claim they put in place of God is, in fact, a representative, a mouthpiece... a priest, right?
Certainly, throughout the ages, some men in such a position have made themselves appear to the commoners as being in the place of God, but that was not the original intent, nor is it today's... it was just the result of a man with power.
With great power, comes great responsibility.
And not all are capable of handling that responsibility, even if their peers are convinced that they will handle it. Mistakes are made, as power corrupts.
But that doesn't mean that the doctrine is not biblical. Have you ever taken the time to read the catechism? To read some annotated version explaining why they do things the way they do?
I was once advised to read something by Leo Trese, The Faith Explained. It explains the catholic side of things quite well, I must say, if you accept the bit about that particular god actually existing.... which you clearly do.
I would hazard a guess that Smuggy is as convinced of the hellbound status of cathy-licks as he is of atheists. Many, if not most, of the protestant doctrines taught in the U.S. believe that way, some going as far as to claim cathy-licks can't be christers. The seventh day adventists go so far as to claim the pope's hat has the number of the beast worked into it in some way or other, though I could never pin them down on quite how it is.
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RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?
November 16, 2018 at 9:49 pm
(November 16, 2018 at 3:29 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (November 16, 2018 at 12:56 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Because their doctrine is contrary to Biblical scripture, not to mention they put a man in the place of God...
You are aware that they were the ones who compiled the books into what became the bible, right? Really? Because as far as the Old testament goes, the King James version has the exact same books as are contained in the Tanakh, the Catholic church has ADDED books to it.
(November 16, 2018 at 3:29 pm)pocaracas Wrote: You are aware that all their doctrine is backed up by more than the bible, right? By tradition and by philosophy. Thats just It, the bible does not back up their doctrine.
Where is purgatory mentioned in the Bible? Or where is it mentioned that people that commit suicide go to hell (If so, it doesn't bode well for Samson)? Or indulgence...
(November 16, 2018 at 3:29 pm)pocaracas Wrote: You are aware that the man you claim they put in place of God is, in fact, a representative, a mouthpiece... a priest, right?
Certainly, throughout the ages, some men in such a position have made themselves appear to the commoners as being in the place of God, but that was not the original intent, nor is it today's... it was just the result of a man with power.
With great power, comes great responsibility.
And not all are capable of handling that responsibility, even if their peers are convinced that they will handle it. Mistakes are made, as power corrupts.
But that doesn't mean that the doctrine is not biblical. Have you ever taken the time to read the catechism? To read some annotated version explaining why they do things the way they do?
I was once advised to read something by Leo Trese, The Faith Explained. It explains the catholic side of things quite well, I must say, if you accept the bit about that particular god actually existing.... which you clearly do. *emphasis mine*
Vicar of Christ literally means 'substitute' of Christ.... who is God in human flesh, any doctrine which make a man equal with Christ is 'anti-Christ".
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RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?
November 16, 2018 at 9:58 pm
Where is the bible backed up in the bible? The circularity back to an unjustified assumption there is as transparent as it is shameless.
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RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?
November 16, 2018 at 10:06 pm
(This post was last modified: November 16, 2018 at 10:06 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Shamelessness is the default state of being for a christian. They applaud the stringing up of a random jew to cover all the times they shook it too many times to be kosher, after all.
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RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?
November 17, 2018 at 12:10 pm
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(November 16, 2018 at 9:49 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Quote:1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Quote:'"There are four Gods, and 2 mediators between those Gods and humankind, except on Friday, when there are 3. Dates and times are for UTC only."
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RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?
November 21, 2018 at 3:33 pm
(November 16, 2018 at 9:58 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Where is the bible backed up in the bible? The circularity back to an unjustified assumption there is as transparent as it is shameless.
God has not left us to work out by our devices and cleverness whether or not He exists rather thought the witness by the Holy Spirit to every person. God seeks to draw persons to himself by convincing them of sin and by enabling them to respond to his offer of salvation in a free and uncoerced way; so it is how we react to the drawing of God's Spirit on our hearts that will determine our eternal destiny, and God will bring it to a point to every person where they can make the decision.
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RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?
November 21, 2018 at 7:12 pm
(November 21, 2018 at 3:33 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (November 16, 2018 at 9:58 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Where is the bible backed up in the bible? The circularity back to an unjustified assumption there is as transparent as it is shameless.
God has not left us to work out by our devices and cleverness whether or not He exists rather thought the witness by the Holy Spirit to every person. God seeks to draw persons to himself by convincing them of sin and by enabling them to respond to his offer of salvation in a free and uncoerced way; so it is how we react to the drawing of God's Spirit on our hearts that will determine our eternal destiny, and God will bring it to a point to every person where they can make the decision.
Uh huh. And you have proof positive these people aren't simply deceiving themselves, do you?
Thought so.
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RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?
November 22, 2018 at 12:04 am
(November 21, 2018 at 7:12 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (November 21, 2018 at 3:33 pm)snowtracks Wrote: God has not left us to work out by our devices and cleverness whether or not He exists rather thought the witness by the Holy Spirit to every person. God seeks to draw persons to himself by convincing them of sin and by enabling them to respond to his offer of salvation in a free and uncoerced way; so it is how we react to the drawing of God's Spirit on our hearts that will determine our eternal destiny, and God will bring it to a point to every person where they can make the decision.
Uh huh. And you have proof positive these people aren't simply deceiving themselves, do you?
Thought so. Quid Pro Quo: Do you know God elected not to inscribed on every atom? 'Made by God'.
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RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?
November 22, 2018 at 12:10 am
(November 22, 2018 at 12:04 am)snowtracks Wrote: (November 21, 2018 at 7:12 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Uh huh. And you have proof positive these people aren't simply deceiving themselves, do you?
Thought so. Quid Pro Quo: Do you know God elected not to inscribed on every atom? 'Made by God'.
You don't say, Einstein? You've sold me. I'll take five of whatever you're selling!
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RE: IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?
November 22, 2018 at 12:12 am
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Hello...good madam........ I have five ounces of that to that assholes four!
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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