Quote:Organisms never would have evolved without food being available the entire time, so wrong. And again that does not explain why there would be food on this planet for the 8.7 million different species of life. It's luck or God and God is the only logical conclusion.

Well since you constantly employ fallacies, you talking about logic is rather hilarious. 

You just admitted what I told you. 
Organisms evolved WHERE THERE was food and NOT where there wasn't food. When weather changed or the food became insufficient, (in areas with over-population) and the food dried up they moved and evolved in other places where food was available, and adapted to the new conditions. The one's that couldn't went extinct. 

Your "either or" non-logic, has a formal name, (oh uneducated bimbo) ... it's called the fallacy of the excluded middle, or "black and white thinking". That fact that you are do unimaginative and  that you need childish "either or" statements is a testament to you stupidity.

Quote:God did it

LOL. Prove it

(November 25, 2018 at 11:06 am)Everena Wrote: Not what he said. Re-read the post. He was wrong (about every single thing)

(November 25, 2018 at 11:12 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I did read what he and you said, quoted below, and everything is as I have claimed.

Wrong, no.

(November 24, 2018 at 10:40 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Quantum vibrations are in everything, up to and including a theoretical perfect vacuum. That is literally the definition of zero point energy. If this were any less newsworthy it would have come out of the southern end of a north-bound bull.

(November 25, 2018 at 11:06 am)Everena Wrote: Noone knew quantum vibrations were occuring in microtubules in the brain until late 2013/early 2014

(November 24, 2018 at 10:40 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Prove it.

A review and update of a controversial 20-year-old theory of consciousness claims that consciousness derives from deeper level, finer scale activities inside brain neurons. The recent discovery of quantum vibrations in "microtubules" inside brain neurons corroborates this theory, according to review authors. They suggest that EEG rhythms (brain waves) also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations, and that from a practical standpoint, treating brain microtubule vibrations could benefit a host of mental, neurological, and cognitive conditions.

Orch OR was harshly criticized from its inception, as the brain was considered too "warm, wet, and noisy" for seemingly delicate quantum processes.. However, evidence has now shown warm quantum coherence in plant photosynthesis, bird brain navigation, our sense of smell, and brain microtubules. The recent discovery of warm temperature quantum vibrations in microtubules inside brain neurons by the research group led by Anirban Bandyopadhyay, PhD, at the National Institute of Material Sciences in Tsukuba, Japan (and now at MIT), corroborates the pair's theory and suggests that EEG rhythms also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations. In addition, work from the laboratory of Roderick G. Eckenhoff, MD, at the University of Pennsylvania, suggests that anesthesia, which selectively erases consciousness while sparing non-conscious brain activities, acts via microtubules in brain neurons.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...085105.htm

Proven!

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(November 25, 2018 at 12:31 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

(November 25, 2018 at 12:23 pm)Everena Wrote: Bullshit, we have food. It tastes great and keeps 8.7 million different species of life on this planet alive and well. Stop eating if you don't like it. Natural food is good for you. People added chemicals that are not. Grip reality soon.

 Um..... is salt natural?
Everena: Yes, salt is a mineral genius

You do understand the acid chemistry inside your stomach, right?

That it's the breaking of the chemical, phosphorus (Pretty sure it's phosphorus) bond on the 'Tail' of the ATP molecule that's pretty much the power/fuel in all cells and hence 'Life'?

Hence why their is the entire feild of, y'know, "Bio-chemistry"?

Why we can isolate the active chemical in willow trees instead of just gnawing on tree bark?

Why the purely mechanical.and hence 'Artificial' method of binding nitrogen is the reason we even have enough farming to feed every one said (Your term) amazing food.

Cheers.

Yes our bodies are amazing the way they can break down food, store it in case of a famine, and utilize the essential nutrients we need. And that is just more proof that intelligence was involved in creating us.

(November 25, 2018 at 1:10 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 11:06 am)Everena Wrote: Not what he said. Re-read the post. He was wrong (about every single thing)

(November 25, 2018 at 11:12 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I did read what he and you said, quoted below, and everything is as I have claimed.

Wrong, no.

(November 24, 2018 at 10:40 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Quantum vibrations are in everything, up to and including a theoretical perfect vacuum. That is literally the definition of zero point energy. If this were any less newsworthy it would have come out of the southern end of a north-bound bull.

(November 25, 2018 at 11:06 am)Everena Wrote: Noone knew quantum vibrations were occuring in microtubules in the brain until late 2013/early 2014

(November 24, 2018 at 10:40 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Prove it.

A review and update of a controversial 20-year-old theory of consciousness claims that consciousness derives from deeper level, finer scale activities inside brain neurons. The recent discovery of quantum vibrations in "microtubules" inside brain neurons corroborates this theory, according to review authors. They suggest that EEG rhythms (brain waves) also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations, and that from a practical standpoint, treating brain microtubule vibrations could benefit a host of mental, neurological, and cognitive conditions.

Orch OR was harshly criticized from its inception, as the brain was considered too "warm, wet, and noisy" for seemingly delicate quantum processes.. However, evidence has now shown warm quantum coherence in plant photosynthesis, bird brain navigation, our sense of smell, and brain microtubules. The recent discovery of warm temperature quantum vibrations in microtubules inside brain neurons by the research group led by Anirban Bandyopadhyay, PhD, at the National Institute of Material Sciences in Tsukuba, Japan (and now at MIT), corroborates the pair's theory and suggests that EEG rhythms also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations. In addition, work from the laboratory of Roderick G. Eckenhoff, MD, at the University of Pennsylvania, suggests that anesthesia, which selectively erases consciousness while sparing non-conscious brain activities, acts via microtubules in brain neurons.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...085105.htm

Proven!

Is "proven" to you what "mission accomplished" was to Bush?

(November 25, 2018 at 1:13 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 1:10 pm)Everena Wrote: Wrong, no.



A review and update of a controversial 20-year-old theory of consciousness claims that consciousness derives from deeper level, finer scale activities inside brain neurons. The recent discovery of quantum vibrations in "microtubules" inside brain neurons corroborates this theory, according to review authors. They suggest that EEG rhythms (brain waves) also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations, and that from a practical standpoint, treating brain microtubule vibrations could benefit a host of mental, neurological, and cognitive conditions.

Orch OR was harshly criticized from its inception, as the brain was considered too "warm, wet, and noisy" for seemingly delicate quantum processes.. However, evidence has now shown warm quantum coherence in plant photosynthesis, bird brain navigation, our sense of smell, and brain microtubules. The recent discovery of warm temperature quantum vibrations in microtubules inside brain neurons by the research group led by Anirban Bandyopadhyay, PhD, at the National Institute of Material Sciences in Tsukuba, Japan (and now at MIT), corroborates the pair's theory and suggests that EEG rhythms also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations. In addition, work from the laboratory of Roderick G. Eckenhoff, MD, at the University of Pennsylvania, suggests that anesthesia, which selectively erases consciousness while sparing non-conscious brain activities, acts via microtubules in brain neurons.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...085105.htm

Proven!

Is "proven" to you what "mission accomplished" was to Bush?

That’s insulting to bush’s failure.

(November 25, 2018 at 1:13 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 1:10 pm)Everena Wrote: Wrong, no.



A review and update of a controversial 20-year-old theory of consciousness claims that consciousness derives from deeper level, finer scale activities inside brain neurons. The recent discovery of quantum vibrations in "microtubules" inside brain neurons corroborates this theory, according to review authors. They suggest that EEG rhythms (brain waves) also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations, and that from a practical standpoint, treating brain microtubule vibrations could benefit a host of mental, neurological, and cognitive conditions.

Orch OR was harshly criticized from its inception, as the brain was considered too "warm, wet, and noisy" for seemingly delicate quantum processes.. However, evidence has now shown warm quantum coherence in plant photosynthesis, bird brain navigation, our sense of smell, and brain microtubules. The recent discovery of warm temperature quantum vibrations in microtubules inside brain neurons by the research group led by Anirban Bandyopadhyay, PhD, at the National Institute of Material Sciences in Tsukuba, Japan (and now at MIT), corroborates the pair's theory and suggests that EEG rhythms also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations. In addition, work from the laboratory of Roderick G. Eckenhoff, MD, at the University of Pennsylvania, suggests that anesthesia, which selectively erases consciousness while sparing non-conscious brain activities, acts via microtubules in brain neurons.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...085105.htm

Proven!

Is "proven" to you what "mission accomplished" was to Bush?

I'm not a republican, so I would go with no, and can you read or answer any of the logical reasons I have given for existence of God?

(November 25, 2018 at 1:16 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 1:13 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Is "proven" to you what "mission accomplished" was to Bush?

I'm not a republican, so I would go with no, and can you read or answer any of the logical reasons I have given for existence of God?

Read.

No logic involved.

Rejected.

I'm not going to get drawn into a tedious debate here as others have.

Quote:Organisms never would have evolved without food being available the entire time, so wrong. And again that does not explain why there would be food on this planet for the 8.7 million different species of life. It's luck or God and God is the only logical conclusion.

Repeating the same falsehoods does not make them true. 

Plants evolved millions of years before animals. For millions of years plants were not "food". Plants evolved 300 million years before animals appeared on land. For 300 million years they were not "food".
They were just plants. Not "food". Critical thinking does not appear to be in your repertoire.

Quote:and can you read or answer any of the logical reasons I have given for existence of God?

You can't even tell us which logic you use, and demonstrate why it is applicable to the conditions you assume ... for that matter you can't even state your assumptions. LOL

(November 25, 2018 at 1:18 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 1:16 pm)Everena Wrote: I'm not a republican, so I would go with no, and can you read or answer any of the logical reasons I have given for existence of God?

Read.

No logic involved.

Rejected.

I'm not going to get drawn into a tedious debate here as others have.

Hey!   Everyone has to chip in.  You are not pulling your weight to get this thread to a thousand pages.   I bet you are one of those anti-social people who go off upstaires to quietly vivisect victims when there is a rowdy party with a lot of trashing, head bashing and fire setting going on outside.

(November 25, 2018 at 12:58 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:Organisms never would have evolved without food being available the entire time, so wrong. And again that does not explain why there would be food on this planet for the 8.7 million different species of life. It's luck or God and God is the only logical conclusion.

Well since you constantly employ fallacies, you talking about logic is rather hilarious. 

You just admitted what I told you. 
Organisms evolved WHERE THERE was food and NOT where there wasn't food. When weather changed or the food became insufficient, (in areas with over-population) and the food dried up they moved and evolved in other places where food was available, and adapted to the new conditions. The one's that couldn't went extinct. 

Your "either or" non-logic, has a formal name, (oh uneducated bimbo) ... it's called the fallacy of the excluded middle, or "black and white thinking". That fact that you are do unimaginative and  that you need childish "either or" statements is a testament to you stupidity.

Logical fallacy Strawman argument. The question is why does food exist on our planet at all? Food that tastes good and provides nutrients to 8.7 million species of life? Do you think we just got lucky in that way?

The question is not, what are scientists speculating happened when this planet and some living organisms were here already.

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(November 25, 2018 at 1:18 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 1:16 pm)Everena Wrote: I'm not a republican, so I would go with no, and can you read or answer any of the logical reasons I have given for existence of God?

Read.

No logic involved.

Rejected.

I'm not going to get drawn into a tedious debate here as others have.

It is probably the only logic you have been presented with in your entire life. And so you are admitting that you cannot respond, because have no idea how to argue it and that it is obvious by what I said that God does indeed exist. 

(November 25, 2018 at 11:39 am)Everena Wrote: This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 8.7 million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. And then there are medicinal plants and herbs as well.

(November 25, 2018 at 3:01 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: Wrong! Nature is an arms race between predators and prey. This is the result of millennia of evolution.

First of all that does not answer the question of why we have food on this planet or why it would be delicious and provide nutrients to 8.7 million different species of life. No way that was just by sheer luck.
Also, it is not just predator and prey. Herbivores only eat plants. Omnivores like us can easily survive without meat and are only eating it by choice. Also food cannot be a result of a millennia of evolution. Food had to be here the entire time or everthing would be dead. And you did not respond to why we would also have medicinal plants and herbs that we derive our sythetic medicines from.

Wrong! All life on the planet is subject to evolution. That some species feed on others is the result evolution, environment and adaptation.