(November 27, 2018 at 2:35 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: No, I don't.

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(November 27, 2018 at 1:53 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Fact: There are 92 known cases of nuclear bombs lost at sea.

Well that's a terrifying fact.

Facts and truth can be scary but you shouldn't avoid it. hint hint.

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(June 26, 2018 at 8:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote: This was a scientific thread with religious implications.  Then I was asked religious questions which is understandable.

(November 27, 2018 at 2:28 pm)CDF47 Wrote: You are a denier of the truth.

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The imperfections in design are due to the fall.

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No, I don't.

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Well that's a terrifying fact.

Facts and truth can be scary but you shouldn't avoid it. hint hint.
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You should be taking your own hints because God exists.

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Just caught up with the last 5 pages. Couldn't respond to everyone.

So we have an all-powerful Creator and the lovely thing about being all-powerful is that you never have to settle for second best in your own handiwork. God never has to choose between two unpleasant options because God can always make more options. God never has to choose between the lesser of two evils because God can always make an option with no evils whatsoever.

And yet here we are, looking around Creation and what do we see? Needless, and frequently pointless suffering. This leads to the inevitable conclusion that God created suffering deliberately and must therefor be a rather hateful, malevolent bastard.

For low-hanging fruit you have the natural disasters. Flood, fire, earthquake, volcano... All really nasty ways to die or get maimed. Certain individuals argue that "everything happens for a reason", which is just "Mysterious Ways" wearing a moustache. God could have Created differently but didn't.

Then you have people. Right royal bastards we are and no doubt about it. We cause suffering in new and inventive ways. But whose fault is that really? Did God have to Create a world where human malevolence caused suffering? No. We could have lived in a universe where AK-47s fire marshmallows and being kicked and beaten merely tickled. But that isn't the universe we live in.

Then you have predation. Everything that lives must kill to survive. Certain parties have suggested that everything could survive off nuts and berries. While that's a pretty dubious and unsubstantiated claim it really begs the question, "Why didn't God make the world that way?" No, in this world tigers don't pounce on blueberry bushes. They're designed as killing machines and there's no getting around it. All of us are. To make it worse, the ridiculously poor 10% efficiency of energy transmission ensures that we have to kill ten times as much as we would otherwise.

Now lets look a bit closer at this Divine Depravity as embodied by the wondrous world of parasites. Unlike the tiger, parasites let their hosts live and simply sap them of vital energy, prolonging their life and agony. Parasites don't even have the decency to kill you. They just go to work and gnaw on you living. The beautiful thing is that they've been Designed to do this and do it instinctively. From the worms that chew on children's eyes to the Ichneumenoid wasps whose larvae munch through the innards of the living catepillars they were laid on, every one of these has been superbly engineered to attack and devour its host an inch at a time. And before anybody goes and tries to blame humans for these horrors please note that they were around hundreds of millions of years before we came down out of the trees.

Yet more evidence in the case for a Malevolent Deity.

(November 27, 2018 at 8:40 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

How Parasitism Further Demonstrates Divine Malevolence

So we have an all-powerful Creator and the lovely thing about being all-powerful is that you never have to settle for second best in your own handiwork. God never has to choose between two unpleasant options because God can always make more options. God never has to choose between the lesser of two evils because God can always make an option with no evils whatsoever.

And yet here we are, looking around Creation and what do we see? Needless, and frequently pointless suffering. This leads to the inevitable conclusion that God created suffering deliberately and must therefor be a rather hateful, malevolent bastard.

For low-hanging fruit you have the natural disasters. Flood, fire, earthquake, volcano... All really nasty ways to die or get maimed. Certain individuals argue that "everything happens for a reason", which is just "Mysterious Ways" wearing a moustache. God could have Created differently but didn't.

Then you have people. Right royal bastards we are and no doubt about it. We cause suffering in new and inventive ways. But whose fault is that really? Did God have to Create a world where human malevolence caused suffering? No. We could have lived in a universe where AK-47s fire marshmallows and being kicked and beaten merely tickled. But that isn't the universe we live in.

Then you have predation. Everything that lives must kill to survive. Certain parties have suggested that everything could survive off nuts and berries. While that's a pretty dubious and unsubstantiated claim it really begs the question, "Why didn't God make the world that way?" No, in this world tigers don't pounce on blueberry bushes. They're designed as killing machines and there's no getting around it. All of us are. To make it worse, the ridiculously poor 10% efficiency of energy transmission ensures that we have to kill ten times as much as we would otherwise.

Now lets look a bit closer at this Divine Depravity as embodied by the wondrous world of parasites. Unlike the tiger, parasites let their hosts live and simply sap them of vital energy, prolonging their life and agony. Parasites don't even have the decency to kill you. They just go to work and gnaw on you living. The beautiful thing is that they've been Designed to do this and do it instinctively. From the worms that chew on children's eyes to the Ichneumenoid wasps whose larvae munch through the innards of the  living catepillars they were laid on, every one of these has been superbly engineered to attack and devour its host an inch at a time. And before anybody goes and tries to blame humans for these horrors please note that they were around hundreds of millions of years before we came down out of the trees.

Yet more evidence in the case for a Malevolent Deity.

He is letting evil, sin, and suffering run their course.

(November 27, 2018 at 8:55 pm)CDF47 Wrote: He is letting evil, sin, and suffering run their course.

And because He is all-powerful that in needless. And what do we call needless suffering boys and girls?

(November 27, 2018 at 9:13 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 27, 2018 at 8:55 pm)CDF47 Wrote: He is letting evil, sin, and suffering run their course.

And because He is all-powerful that in needless. And what do we call needless suffering boys and girls?

Man had free will and chose to rebel against God.

(November 27, 2018 at 9:30 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 27, 2018 at 9:13 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: And because He is all-powerful that in needless. And what do we call needless suffering boys and girls?

Man had free will and chose to rebel against God.

God lied to man first.

And did you miss the bit where this was all going on for billions of years before humans evolved?

(November 27, 2018 at 7:18 pm)sdelsolray Wrote:

(November 22, 2018 at 11:35 pm)Everena Wrote: Fungi are plants

Folks, here's yet another example (of dozens and dozens already posted) of poster Everena's willfull ignorance about science.  Fungi is a kingdom of life separate from the plant and animal kingdoms.  This is taught in grade school science class.

Oh please show even one example besides this time when I was making a point. Even ONE time you lying lowlife.  Mushrooms are even in the vegetable section of the supermarket. No one thinks of fungi as an animal because it not conscious life, not matter how wrongly classified they may be.

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(November 27, 2018 at 7:30 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

(November 27, 2018 at 6:00 pm)Everena Wrote: They may not be classified as such, but they are comparable to plants and bacteria. They have no brain, no consciousness.

We are going to find comunicating rather more difficult if you just want to use what ever words that take your whim.

While poetic and colourful...... there'll be a definite lack of clear or solid meaning.

Interesting. Make your point about fungi.

Does anybody have some facepalmbalm?

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(November 27, 2018 at 9:48 pm)Everena Wrote: Mushrooms are even in the vegetable section of the supermarket.

Just when you think it can't get any worse. Taxonomy by supermarket shelf.

Quote:No one thinks of fungi as an animal because it not conscious life

Nobody thinks of most animals as conscious life either.

Not is the same sense that we are or that the animals are.

(November 27, 2018 at 7:32 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Your scientific illiteracy is astounding. Is this what religious home-schooling does to you?

Plants are alive in exactly the same way that we are. 

Are you an example of what no schooling does to someone? And my parents were agnostic and atheist and I attended public school and then 3 different
state Universities because I changed my major twice.

And plants are not conscious life, and they are totally different from conscious life in literally trillions of ways.

And if you now think you are a fern, in addition to being a chimp and a robot, well then I guess that shows your level of intelligence, doesn't it.

Also I am sure my scientific literacy is just as good or better than yours is. Your attempts at being condescending are hilarious. You have not been right about one single thing in any of our arguments, and you are quite obviously desperately in need of an education. Also, you thought something I spelled correctly was spelled wrong. Give it a rest and try communicating like a normal human being. And if you don't fully understand what it means to be a human being, do some research and I'm sure you'll figure it out some day.

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(November 27, 2018 at 9:55 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Does anybody have some facepalmbalm?

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(November 27, 2018 at 9:48 pm)Everena Wrote: Mushrooms are even in the vegetable section of the supermarket.

Just when you think it can't get any worse. Taxonomy by supermarket shelf.

Quote:No one thinks of fungi as an animal because it not conscious life

Nobody thinks of most animals as conscious life either.

Great, so what was your point about fungi, that is similiar to a plant.

Quote:Mushrooms are even in the vegetable section of the supermarket.

That has to be a contender for THE most hilariously stupid comment ever written on the internet.
I'm gonna tell that one at school and to the docs tomorrow.
Great hilarity will ensue. I should put it in my signature.

... and she says she not a Valley Girl. Gum snap.