Why don't cows wear flip flops? They lactose.

(November 29, 2018 at 11:53 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 11:12 pm)Everena Wrote: Volcanoes had to be here to form land masses.

(November 29, 2018 at 11:25 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: No they didn't. This is God Allmighty we're talking about. He don't need no stinking volcanoes! He can just say "Let there be land!" and the continents say "Yes Sir, God Sir! How much land would you like?"

No one but atheists believe in this very warped version of god.

Not my fault you can't get away from Malevolence. That's the evidence for you.

Quote:And continents don't talk, just like big rocks don't create universes. Do I have to teach you everything? God is not a man, so get over it. Even the Christians websites explain that the male  pronoun was just used because this an actual being we are talking about, not an it.

We call it allegory. Went over your head apparently. Suffice it to say that God can simply command land to exist.

Quote:The planet was created in the way planets are created. Since you can't create one, I don't think you should judging God's way of doing it.

I don't need to make something to see the problems in the way it works. Volcanoes kill people needlessly, and you can't escape that malevolence.

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(November 29, 2018 at 11:25 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Theodicy a la "Death by volcano or fire probably is not as horrible as it sounds." Wow. Just Wow.

Don't burn anyone to death or choose that as your way to die if you really think so.

Don't tell me. I don't make volcanoes! Yet.

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(November 29, 2018 at 11:25 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Any is still suffering.

Don't intentionally cause suffering and you won't suffer.

Tell it to the people eaten by bears.

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(November 29, 2018 at 11:25 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: And what about the bunny rabbits? Nom-nom-nom goes mister fox, gnawing on those fluffy bunnies.

Yeah, don't try to make rabbits sound all sweet and innocent. Animals kill and eat each other all the time. Scary.

Yeah, that is rather my point! Glad you finally got it. Nature red in tooth and claw. Nasty way to make the world, don't you think?

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(November 29, 2018 at 11:25 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: And that reason rhymes with "malevolent". See, this is God we're talking about.

No, this is people we are talking about. This is not God's planet or God's challenge. This planet was created for us, not for God. You don't want to suffer, don't cause any suffering to others and you won't. It is as simple as that.

People didn't make this planet. Stop playing like the natural forces are our fault.

And stop acting like causing suffering is some form of karma or justice. You know that suffering doesn't make people better.

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(November 29, 2018 at 11:25 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Omnipotent
Doesn't need to resort to horrific punishment to make you a better person.

Suffering only the pain that you have intentionally caused to others is in no way horrific punishment. It is just eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth.
Perfect justice for the victims of your wrath.

Yes, it really is horrific. You don't beat the good into people.

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(November 29, 2018 at 11:25 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Not that beating your kids helps them grow up to be well-adjusted.

God is not beating anyone. People are intentionally causing pain,  and then suffering only the pain they have intentionally caused to others. How many times do I have to explain this to you? Jesus explains it like 10 times in the NT.  OT God explains it over and over. Hindus and Buddhists know it. Muslims live by it. That's like 5 billion people who have no problem understanding perfect justice. Try to wrap your head around it.

Oh, I think I see precisely what you mean. A couple of points:

(1) Making people suffer the pain that they caused doesn't make them better people. It makes them even more brutal. That is precisely how bullies are made.

(2) God is all-powerful and can always find a better way to make people better. One that is painless.

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(November 29, 2018 at 11:25 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: So if even we mortals know that this is not merely needless, not merely senseless, but actually counter-productive suffering then God's either the biggest incompetent or the biggest bastard in the history of history.

Only in your warped version of God and reality. People learn to stop hurting others by suffering through the pain they have caused.

No, they really don't. If you beat a kid you don't end up with a better kid. You end up with a kid who beats their kids. If God inflicts suffering on people who cause suffering then he's fighting fire with gasoline.

(November 30, 2018 at 12:14 am)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:Of course I like Everena.  She did a great job taking it to you atheists in my opinion.

She's failed just as Hard as dozens of theists before her on this forum.

No she hasn't.

(November 29, 2018 at 11:54 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 11:51 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: And God Allmighty couldn't come up with a better way to write his lesson book than mass extinction? Are you angling for incompetent, malevolent, or both?

This is the way He chose.

So you don't know if it's incompetence or hatred but it's one of the two. Remind me why you want to spend eternity with this chap.

At work.


Uhm..... Everena?

I'm pretty sure theology doesn't quite work that way.

Of course you can worship what ever and how ever you like/wish.

But it you hold your theology up along side CDF47's theology they'll be rather different.

Pretty sure CDF47 doesn't worship a big ball of energy. Jus' sayin'.

(November 30, 2018 at 12:16 am)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 11:53 pm)Everena Wrote: No one but atheists believe in this very warped version of god.

Not my fault you can't get away from Malevolence. That's the evidence for you.

Quote:And continents don't talk, just like big rocks don't create universes. Do I have to teach you everything? God is not a man, so get over it. Even the Christians websites explain that the male  pronoun was just used because this an actual being we are talking about, not an it.

We call it allegory. Went over your head apparently. Suffice it to say that God can simply command land to exist.

Quote:The planet was created in the way planets are created. Since you can't create one, I don't think you should judging God's way of doing it.

I don't need to make something to see the problems in the way it works. Volcanoes kill people needlessly, and you can't escape that malevolence.

Quote:Don't burn anyone to death or choose that as your way to die if you really think so.

Don't tell me. I don't make volcanoes! Yet.

Quote:Don't intentionally cause suffering and you won't suffer.

Tell it to the people eaten by bears.

Quote:Yeah, don't try to make rabbits sound all sweet and innocent. Animals kill and eat each other all the time. Scary.

Yeah, that is rather my point! Glad you finally got it. Nature red in tooth and claw. Nasty way to make the world, don't you think?

Quote:No, this is people we are talking about. This is not God's planet or God's challenge. This planet was created for us, not for God. You don't want to suffer, don't cause any suffering to others and you won't. It is as simple as that.

People didn't make this planet. Stop playing like the natural forces are our fault.

And stop acting like causing suffering is some form of karma or justice. You know that suffering doesn't make people better.

Quote:Suffering only the pain that you have intentionally caused to others is in no way horrific punishment. It is just eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth.
Perfect justice for the victims of your wrath.

Yes, it really is horrific. You don't beat the good into people.

Quote:God is not beating anyone. People are intentionally causing pain,  and then suffering only the pain they have intentionally caused to others. How many times do I have to explain this to you? Jesus explains it like 10 times in the NT.  OT God explains it over and over. Hindus and Buddhists know it. Muslims live by it. That's like 5 billion people who have no problem understanding perfect justice. Try to wrap your head around it.

Oh, I think I see precisely what you mean. A couple of points:

(1) Making people suffer the pain that they caused doesn't make them better people. It makes them even more brutal. That is precisely how bullies are made.

(2) God is all-powerful and can always find a better way to make people better. One that is painless.

Quote:Only in your warped version of God and reality. People learn to stop hurting others by suffering through the pain they have caused.

No, they really don't. If you beat a kid you don't end up with a better kid. You end up with a kid who beats their kids. If God inflicts suffering on people who cause suffering then he's fighting fire with gasoline.

I got the belt when I deserved it growing up.  I am not some psychopathic maniac cause of it.  That's the problem with kids these days.

(November 29, 2018 at 11:56 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 11:55 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: No, simply beating the kids and killing their pets isn't enough to terrorize them into being moral. You have to kill the neighbours and where their faces as skinmasks.

I always forget about the people suits!  I'll have to try and remember it going forward.

The story just gets dumber by the post.  God "foreknew" that man would disobey him, so he flew into a hissy fit and smoked a bunch of lizards.  What a tool.  No wonder his best angels told him to get bent.

And then left the humans in the garden with the magic knowledgeberry bush anyway.

Adam didn't disobey. He did what he was made to do and God knew it before he made him.

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(November 29, 2018 at 11:58 pm)Everena Wrote: You only suffer to a certain extent and then you go unconscious from the pain. I told you- it happened to me when my appendix ruptured.

"You only suffer until you black out from the pain" does not make your God sound less malevolent.

(November 30, 2018 at 12:17 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 30, 2018 at 12:14 am)Amarok Wrote: She's failed just as Hard as dozens of theists before her on this forum.

No she hasn't.

Actually, she broke new grounds in how theist fail.  Considering how many ways theists normally fail, that is actually a notable feat.  But since the essence of theism is the relentless pursuit of ever more abysmal cognitive failure, she must seem like a hero to the likes of you.   Since unspeakably dumb thou you may be, it is not in your poor powers to ever match her, you should worship her, she will undoubtedly reward you by removing portions of what’s left of what you would call your brain each day so you will at least make tangible progress towards her caliber of stupidity and ignorance.

(November 30, 2018 at 12:16 am)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 11:53 pm)Everena Wrote: No one but atheists believe in this very warped version of god.

Not my fault you can't get away from Malevolence. That's the evidence for you.

Quote:And continents don't talk, just like big rocks don't create universes. Do I have to teach you everything? God is not a man, so get over it. Even the Christians websites explain that the male  pronoun was just used because this an actual being we are talking about, not an it.

We call it allegory. Went over your head apparently. Suffice it to say that God can simply command land to exist.

Quote:The planet was created in the way planets are created. Since you can't create one, I don't think you should judging God's way of doing it.

I don't need to make something to see the problems in the way it works. Volcanoes kill people needlessly, and you can't escape that malevolence.

Quote:Don't burn anyone to death or choose that as your way to die if you really think so.

Don't tell me. I don't make volcanoes! Yet.

Quote:Don't intentionally cause suffering and you won't suffer.

Tell it to the people eaten by bears.

Quote:Yeah, don't try to make rabbits sound all sweet and innocent. Animals kill and eat each other all the time. Scary.

Yeah, that is rather my point! Glad you finally got it. Nature red in tooth and claw. Nasty way to make the world, don't you think?

Quote:No, this is people we are talking about. This is not God's planet or God's challenge. This planet was created for us, not for God. You don't want to suffer, don't cause any suffering to others and you won't. It is as simple as that.

People didn't make this planet. Stop playing like the natural forces are our fault.

And stop acting like causing suffering is some form of karma or justice. You know that suffering doesn't make people better.

Quote:Suffering only the pain that you have intentionally caused to others is in no way horrific punishment. It is just eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth.
Perfect justice for the victims of your wrath.

Yes, it really is horrific. You don't beat the good into people.

Quote:God is not beating anyone. People are intentionally causing pain,  and then suffering only the pain they have intentionally caused to others. How many times do I have to explain this to you? Jesus explains it like 10 times in the NT.  OT God explains it over and over. Hindus and Buddhists know it. Muslims live by it. That's like 5 billion people who have no problem understanding perfect justice. Try to wrap your head around it.

Oh, I think I see precisely what you mean. A couple of points:

(1) Making people suffer the pain that they caused doesn't make them better people. It makes them even more brutal. That is precisely how bullies are made.

(2) God is all-powerful and can always find a better way to make people better. One that is painless.

Quote:Only in your warped version of God and reality. People learn to stop hurting others by suffering through the pain they have caused.

No, they really don't. If you beat a kid you don't end up with a better kid. You end up with a kid who beats their kids. If God inflicts suffering on people who cause suffering then he's fighting fire with gasoline.

So she failed to defend god 

She simply attacks your analogy not it's point 
Tries to shift the blame onto humans when a god created the conditions 
And thinks death and agony makes people better when it doesn't and why the fuck a good being would make that a requirement is fucked up beyond all reason

If I leave some horrifically dangerous thing laying around for my kids to swallow it's called negligence, reckless endangerment, and child abuse. 

When god does it, it's benevolence.