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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 12, 2018 at 12:26 am
Quote:There are many versions of atheism. Which version are you referring to? I agree your definition is accurate, but it doesn't work in every situation because all situations where that term is invoked are not the same, and some widely differ.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 12, 2018 at 12:38 am
(December 12, 2018 at 12:26 am)Amarok Wrote: Quote:There are many versions of atheism. Which version are you referring to? I agree your definition is accurate, but it doesn't work in every situation because all situations where that term is invoked are not the same, and some widely differ.
Bollocks
From - Common Sense Atheism
‘Atheism’ is a much simpler concept than ‘Christianity’ or ‘Hinduism’, but the word atheism is still used in a wide variety of ways.
This can cause confusion. Someone may announce that she is an atheist, and her listeners may assume she is one type of atheist, when really she is a different type of atheist.
So to clear things up, here are 17 kinds of atheism, organized into 7 sets. Some kinds of atheism can be combined in a person, and some cannot. For example, it is perfectly consistent to be an agnostic, narrow, friendly atheist. But one cannot simultaneously be both a passive atheist and a militant atheist.
This list is not definitive. There are many ways to organize and label different kinds of atheism.
For brevity’s sake, I have substituted “gods” for the usual phrase “God or gods.”
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 12, 2018 at 12:58 am
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Quote:From - Common Sense Atheism
‘Atheism’ is a much simpler concept than ‘Christianity’ or ‘Hinduism’, but the word atheism is still used in a wide variety of ways.
This can cause confusion. Someone may announce that she is an atheist, and her listeners may assume she is one type of atheist, when really she is a different type of atheist.
So to clear things up, here are 17 kinds of atheism, organized into 7 sets. Some kinds of atheism can be combined in a person, and some cannot. For example, it is perfectly consistent to be an agnostic, narrow, friendly atheist. But one cannot simultaneously be both a passive atheist and a militant atheist.
This list is not definitive. There are many ways to organize and label different kinds of atheism.
For brevity’s sake, I have substituted “gods” for the usual phrase “God or gods.”
None of this supports your argument nor refutes mine
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 12, 2018 at 1:00 am
Some folks routinely confuse beliefs that atheists can hold.... with atheism.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 12, 2018 at 1:05 am
(December 12, 2018 at 12:58 am)Amarok Wrote: Quote:From - Common Sense Atheism
‘Atheism’ is a much simpler concept than ‘Christianity’ or ‘Hinduism’, but the word atheism is still used in a wide variety of ways.
This can cause confusion. Someone may announce that she is an atheist, and her listeners may assume she is one type of atheist, when really she is a different type of atheist.
So to clear things up, here are 17 kinds of atheism, organized into 7 sets. Some kinds of atheism can be combined in a person, and some cannot. For example, it is perfectly consistent to be an agnostic, narrow, friendly atheist. But one cannot simultaneously be both a passive atheist and a militant atheist.
This list is not definitive. There are many ways to organize and label different kinds of atheism.
For brevity’s sake, I have substituted “gods” for the usual phrase “God or gods.”
None of this supports your argument nor refutes mine
Cool. Glad you are okay with that atheism website. Anyway, here is #7 from the same page.
7. Difference in Religiosity
A religious atheist practices religion but does not believe in gods.
A non-religious atheist does not practice religion.
Of course, there are many more “kinds” of atheism than this, for one may be a Republican atheist or a Democratic atheist, a short atheist or a tall atheist, a Caucasian atheist or an Hispanic atheist, a foundationalist atheist or a coherentist atheist, an enchanted atheist or a disenchanted atheist.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 12, 2018 at 1:10 am
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(December 11, 2018 at 11:31 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: A-theism is one thing. A LACK of something.
A lack of one thing.
Just like a-symmetry. No symmetry.
Just like a-symptomatic. No symptoms.
A-theism. No belief in the gods.
It's really not that difficult.
(Your values really aren't "Christian". "Do unto others ..... " and "Love your neighbor as yourself" did not originate with Christianity.)
(December 9, 2018 at 12:03 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Atheism is undoubtedly a belief, don't delude yourself.
Belief in this case is referring to an ideology / idea. Atheism is an ideology, ("ism" in 'atheism' means "a distinctive doctrine, theory, system, or practice") hence why you guys are constantly trying to form tactics to try and actively counter theist arguments...
How many "abigfootist" forums have you joined?
How ignorant you are.
I realize you are totally ignorant of history ... but since the 1950's when "atheistic Communism" was the name of the day, and Madelyn Murray O'Hare was demonized,
humans have found their opinions of the deities derided, and equated with being evil. The fact they find value in an organization, is not really surprising.
IF you equate atheism with religion, you seem to have a VERY POOR opinion of religion, and what constitutes it. Is a golfing organization a religion ? Apparently you think so.
Fine, don't listen to me, listen to them.
https://www.sundayassembly.com/story
Quote:This is a notice that I am quitting the work that I was doing day-to-day and using my time as CEO (I’m not going anywhere!) to do the thing that is needed more than ever – devoting as much of my energies as possible to spreading the word of what Sunday Assembly does.
 sounds like evangelism to me...
Quote:The only way to understand Sunday Assembly is to experience it for yourself. There will be singalong songs, moving stories, passionate speakers—all finished with tea and cake (or coffee and doughnuts!). Just by being with us you should be energised, vitalised, restored, repaired, refreshed, and recharged. No matter what the subject of the Assembly, it will solace worries, provoke kindness and inject a touch of transcendence into the everyday. But life can be tough… It is. Sometimes bad things happen to good people, we have moments of weakness, or life just isn’t fair. We want the Sunday Assembly to be a place of compassion, where, no matter what your situation, you are welcomed, accepted, and loved. You can join a choir, sing in the band, attend and facilitate self-help groups, welcome those who are socially isolated, host potluck dinners, share hobbies, and much more. Most of all, have fun, be nice and join in.
There's even a child being "indoctrinated" at the :40 mark...
If your argument is that a god has to be involved in order to classify an ideology as a religion, then why do atheist religions exist?
I said earlier in this thread that the definition of 'god' is 'and object of worship', which could be anything. The Sunday Assembly purpose (as stated by THEM) is to celebrate life, 'celebrate' is synonymous with 'praise' so yes, atheists have created their own little religion, and are unwittingly brought themselves back to worshiping a god.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 12, 2018 at 1:16 am
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(December 12, 2018 at 1:05 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: (December 12, 2018 at 12:58 am)Amarok Wrote: None of this supports your argument nor refutes mine
Cool. Glad you are okay with that atheism website. Anyway, here is #7 from the same page.
7. Difference in Religiosity
A religious atheist practices religion but does not believe in gods.
A non-religious atheist does not practice religion.
Of course, there are many more “kinds” of atheism than this, for one may be a Republican atheist or a Democratic atheist, a short atheist or a tall atheist, a Caucasian atheist or an Hispanic atheist, a foundationalist atheist or a coherentist atheist, an enchanted atheist or a disenchanted atheist. I said it doesn't support your argument nor refute mine
Quote:A religious atheist practices religion but does not believe in gods.
No such thing their are no religious atheists atheism has no practices people can copy cat religion but it has nothing to do with atheism
Quote:A non-religious atheist does not practice religion.
No such thing as atheism is by default non religious
Quote:This is a notice that I am quitting the work that I was doing day-to-day and using my time as CEO (I’m not going anywhere!) to do the thing that is needed more than ever – devoting as much of my energies as possible to spreading the word of what Sunday Assembly does.
Which has nothing to do with atheism
Quote:The only way to understand Sunday Assembly is to experience it for yourself. There will be singalong songs, moving stories, passionate speakers—all finished with tea and cake (or coffee and doughnuts!). Just by being with us you should be energised, vitalised, restored, repaired, refreshed, and recharged. No matter what the subject of the Assembly, it will solace worries, provoke kindness and inject a touch of transcendence into the everyday. But life can be tough… It is. Sometimes bad things happen to good people, we have moments of weakness, or life just isn’t fair. We want the Sunday Assembly to be a place of compassion, where, no matter what your situation, you are welcomed, accepted, and loved. You can join a choir, sing in the band, attend and facilitate self-help groups, welcome those who are socially isolated, host potluck dinners, share hobbies, and much more. Most of all, have fun, be nice and join in.
Which as nothing to do with Atheism
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(11 minutes ago)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Wrote:(19 minutes ago)Amarok Wrote: Wrote:None of this supports your argument nor refutes mine
Cool. Glad you are okay with that atheism website. Anyway, here is #7 from the same page.
7. Difference in Religiosity
A religious atheist practices religion but does not believe in gods.
A non-religious atheist does not practice religion.
Of course, there are many more “kinds” of atheism than this, for one may be a Republican atheist or a Democratic atheist, a short atheist or a tall atheist, a Caucasian atheist or an Hispanic atheist, a foundationalist atheist or a coherentist atheist, an enchanted atheist or a disenchanted atheist. I said it doesn't support your argument nor refute mine
Quote: Wrote:A religious atheist practices religion but does not believe in gods. No such thing their are no religious atheists atheism has no practices people can copy cat religion but it has nothing to do with atheism
Quote: Wrote:A non-religious atheist does not practice religion. No such thing as atheism is by default non religious
Posted by Huggy74 - 7 minutes ago
(1 hour ago)Bucky Ball Wrote: Wrote:A-theism is one thing. A LACK of something.
A lack of one thing.
Just like a-symmetry. No symmetry.
Just like a-symptomatic. No symptoms.
A-theism. No belief in the gods.
It's really not that difficult.
(Your values really aren't "Christian". "Do unto others ..... " and "Love your neighbor as yourself" did not originate with Christianity.)
Quote:This is a notice that I am quitting the work that I was doing day-to-day and using my time as CEO (I’m not going anywhere!) to do the thing that is needed more than ever – devoting as much of my energies as possible to spreading the word of what Sunday Assembly does.
Nothing to do with atheism
Quote:he only way to understand Sunday Assembly is to experience it for yourself. There will be singalong songs, moving stories, passionate speakers—all finished with tea and cake (or coffee and doughnuts!). Just by being with us you should be energised, vitalised, restored, repaired, refreshed, and recharged. No matter what the subject of the Assembly, it will solace worries, provoke kindness and inject a touch of transcendence into the everyday. But life can be tough… It is. Sometimes bad things happen to good people, we have moments of weakness, or life just isn’t fair. We want the Sunday Assembly to be a place of compassion, where, no matter what your situation, you are welcomed, accepted, and loved. You can join a choir, sing in the band, attend and facilitate self-help groups, welcome those who are socially isolated, host potluck dinners, share hobbies, and much more. Most of all, have fun, be nice and join in.
Nothing to do with atheism
Quote:There's even a child being "indoctrinated" at the :40 mark.[size=undefined]..[/size]
Not into atheism
Quote:If your argument is that a god has to be involved in order to classify an ideology as a religion, then why do atheist religions exist?
No such thing
Quote:I said earlier in this thread that the definition of 'god' is 'and object of worship', which could be anything. The Sunday Assembly purpose (as stated by THEM) is to celebrate life, 'celebrate' is synonymous with 'praise' so yes, atheists have created their own little religion, and are unwittingly brought themselves back to worshiping a god.
Your definition of god is useless
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 12, 2018 at 1:24 am
(December 12, 2018 at 1:16 am)Amarok Wrote: (December 12, 2018 at 1:05 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Cool. Glad you are okay with that atheism website. Anyway, here is #7 from the same page.
7. Difference in Religiosity
A religious atheist practices religion but does not believe in gods.
A non-religious atheist does not practice religion.
Of course, there are many more “kinds” of atheism than this, for one may be a Republican atheist or a Democratic atheist, a short atheist or a tall atheist, a Caucasian atheist or an Hispanic atheist, a foundationalist atheist or a coherentist atheist, an enchanted atheist or a disenchanted atheist. I said it doesn't support your argument nor refute mine
Quote:A religious atheist practices religion but does not believe in gods.
No such thing their are no religious atheists atheism has no practices people can copy cat religion but it has nothing to do with atheism
Quote:A non-religious atheist does not practice religion.
No such thing as atheism is by default non religious
Quote:This is a notice that I am quitting the work that I was doing day-to-day and using my time as CEO (I’m not going anywhere!) to do the thing that is needed more than ever – devoting as much of my energies as possible to spreading the word of what Sunday Assembly does.
Which has nothing to do with atheism
Quote:The only way to understand Sunday Assembly is to experience it for yourself. There will be singalong songs, moving stories, passionate speakers—all finished with tea and cake (or coffee and doughnuts!). Just by being with us you should be energised, vitalised, restored, repaired, refreshed, and recharged. No matter what the subject of the Assembly, it will solace worries, provoke kindness and inject a touch of transcendence into the everyday. But life can be tough… It is. Sometimes bad things happen to good people, we have moments of weakness, or life just isn’t fair. We want the Sunday Assembly to be a place of compassion, where, no matter what your situation, you are welcomed, accepted, and loved. You can join a choir, sing in the band, attend and facilitate self-help groups, welcome those who are socially isolated, host potluck dinners, share hobbies, and much more. Most of all, have fun, be nice and join in.
Which as nothing to do with Atheism
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Posted by Amarok - Less than 1 minute ago
(11 minutes ago)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Wrote:Cool. Glad you are okay with that atheism website. Anyway, here is #7 from the same page.
7. Difference in Religiosity
A religious atheist practices religion but does not believe in gods.
A non-religious atheist does not practice religion.
Of course, there are many more “kinds” of atheism than this, for one may be a Republican atheist or a Democratic atheist, a short atheist or a tall atheist, a Caucasian atheist or an Hispanic atheist, a foundationalist atheist or a coherentist atheist, an enchanted atheist or a disenchanted atheist. [size=undefined]
I said it doesn't support your argument nor refute mine
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No such thing their are no religious atheists atheism has no practices people can copy cat religion but it has nothing to do with atheism
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No such thing as atheism is by default non religious
Posted by Huggy74 - 7 minutes ago[/size]
(1 hour ago)Bucky Ball Wrote: Wrote:A-theism is one thing. A LACK of something.
A lack of one thing.
Just like a-symmetry. No symmetry.
Just like a-symptomatic. No symptoms.
A-theism. No belief in the gods.
It's really not that difficult.
(Your values really aren't "Christian". "Do unto others ..... " and "Love your neighbor as yourself" did not originate with Christianity.)
How ignorant you are.
I realize you are totally ignorant of history ... but since the 1950's when "atheistic Communism" was the name of the day, and Madelyn Murray O'Hare was demonized,
humans have found their opinions of the deities derided, and equated with being evil. The fact they find value in an organization, is not really surprising.
IF you equate atheism with religion, you seem to have a VERY POOR opinion of religion, and what constitutes it. Is a golfing organization a religion ? Apparently you think so. [size=undefined]
Fine, don't listen to me, listen to them.
https://www.sundayassembly.com/story
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Quote: Wrote:This is a notice that I am quitting the work that I was doing day-to-day and using my time as CEO (I’m not going anywhere!) to do the thing that is needed more than ever – devoting as much of my energies as possible to spreading the word of what Sunday Assembly does. [size=undefined]
sounds like evangelism to me...[/size]
Quote: Wrote:The only way to understand Sunday Assembly is to experience it for yourself. There will be singalong songs, moving stories, passionate speakers—all finished with tea and cake (or coffee and doughnuts!). Just by being with us you should be energised, vitalised, restored, repaired, refreshed, and recharged. No matter what the subject of the Assembly, it will solace worries, provoke kindness and inject a touch of transcendence into the everyday. But life can be tough… It is. Sometimes bad things happen to good people, we have moments of weakness, or life just isn’t fair. We want the Sunday Assembly to be a place of compassion, where, no matter what your situation, you are welcomed, accepted, and loved. You can join a choir, sing in the band, attend and facilitate self-help groups, welcome those who are socially isolated, host potluck dinners, share hobbies, and much more. Most of all, have fun, be nice and join in.
Quote:There's even a child being "indoctrinated" at the :40 mark.[size=undefined]..[/size]
Not into atheism
Quote:If your argument is that a god has to be involved in order to classify an ideology as a religion, then why do atheist religions exist?
No such thing
Quote:I said earlier in this thread that the definition of 'god' is 'and object of worship', which could be anything. The Sunday Assembly purpose (as stated by THEM) is to celebrate life, 'celebrate' is synonymous with 'praise' so yes, atheists have created their own little religion, and are unwittingly brought themselves back to worshiping a god.
Your definition of god is useless
Right, well I give equal weight to all atheists and your version of atheism isn't any better than anybody else's.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 12, 2018 at 1:28 am
(This post was last modified: December 12, 2018 at 1:28 am by Amarok.)
(December 12, 2018 at 1:24 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: (December 12, 2018 at 1:16 am)Amarok Wrote: I said it doesn't support your argument nor refute mine
No such thing their are no religious atheists atheism has no practices people can copy cat religion but it has nothing to do with atheism
No such thing as atheism is by default non religious
Which has nothing to do with atheism
Which as nothing to do with Atheism
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I said it doesn't support your argument nor refute mine
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No such thing their are no religious atheists atheism has no practices people can copy cat religion but it has nothing to do with atheism
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No such thing as atheism is by default non religious
Posted by Huggy74 - 7 minutes ago[/size]
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Fine, don't listen to me, listen to them.
https://www.sundayassembly.com/story
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Not into atheism
No such thing
Your definition of god is useless
Right, well I give equal weight to all atheists and your version of atheism isn't any better than anybody else's. I don't care what you give weight to and there are no versions of atheism there is only atheism
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 12, 2018 at 1:40 am
(December 12, 2018 at 1:16 am)Amarok Wrote: Quote:A religious atheist practices religion but does not believe in gods.
No such thing their are no religious atheists atheism has no practices people can copy cat religion but it has nothing to do with atheism
Quote:If your argument is that a god has to be involved in order to classify an ideology as a religion, then why do atheist religions exist?
No such thing
Satanism?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism
Quote:LaVeyan Satanism is a religion founded in 1966 by the American occultist and author Anton Szandor LaVey.
Quote:LaVey was an atheist, rejecting the existence of all gods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan
Quote:The church does not believe in the Devil, nor a Christian or Islamic notion of Satan. Peter H. Gilmore describes its members as "skeptical atheists", embracing the Hebrew root of the word "Satan" as "adversary". The church views Satan as a positive archetype who represents pride, individualism, and enlightenment, and as a symbol of defiance against the Abrahamic faiths which LaVey criticized for what he saw as the suppression of humanity's natural instincts.
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