(December 12, 2018 at 12:53 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(December 11, 2018 at 8:26 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

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He could use quantum mechanics to perform some miracles.  He exists there and here and He knows everything.  Even the hairs on your head are counted.  Similar to a computer programmer who could create a simulation and have the hairs on the head counted.  The programmer could know everything about the simulated universe he created.

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 *Sigh*

Okay.. First, your analogy/apeal to a 'Hypersimulation' kind of misses the point.

I keep asking specific questions... To which you pretty much thow up "But quantum..." as a reply.

You keep asserting all sorts of things (Most of which are rather stange to read, I must admit) that, when asked specific questions about certain aspects... You generally devolve into 'Woo' like replies.

So, you have no idea *How your diety might do any oth the things you've proposed.
You've happily ignored some of the possible problems raised by others about some of the aspects of your proposed diety's aspects/abilites/atributes.


So, here's a couple other questions.

How do you know your diety proposition/idea is as or more valid than other diety propositions/forms?
Why are you right and Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, Tao-ists, Zoroarastrians wrong?

 Not at work.

Many other dieties are old pagan myths that are essentially the same.  They have wild and crazy creation stories or no creation stories at all.  The Muslims science is really strange in the Koran.  Also, Allah claims to be the greatest deceiver in the Koran.  Buddhists have no creation story.  Buddha was asked about it and he basically had no valid response in my opinion.  It is just a man that sat under a tree that figured out how not to care as much.  The other religions have similar issues; wild myths, bad science, poor creation story or no creation story,...  

Also, the Bible has 240 prophecies fulfilled.  That is foreknowledge of the future which Einstein showing time travel is possible also shows that a transcendent Creator could also know all of time.  A computer programmer could simulate a universe like that and know all of time in the simulation.  

That is the reasoning behind my faith.

Ultimately, God the Son came to Earth showing servant leadership by example.  True authentic leadership.  He took on the worst of it; from betrayal, to beatings and torture, to harassment,...  He did this and lived a sinless life as the Son of man.

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(December 12, 2018 at 12:59 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 12:56 am)Amarok Wrote: Wolves are better problem solvers and are more independent 
https://welovewolves.club/dogs-and-wolve...m-solvers/

https://www.zmescience.com/ecology/anima...-17092015/

Next dogs care about human approval Wolves don't  and the intelligence of animals is dependent on their lifestyle

 Better problem solvers?  More independent?

Three wolves in showdown with a dog.  Dog outsmarts all 3 by manipulating their behavior and juking them as soon as he found an advantage.  No human approval needed here.

Beautiful escape.

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(December 12, 2018 at 1:26 am)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:You don't seem to have any facts.

Yes i do 

You say:

Quote:Wolves don't fetch - Videos of wolves playing fetch

I was pointing out wolves are not domestic animals thus why would they be good at fetching 

Quote:Wolves are superior to dog - Wolf submits to dog when it tries to dominate it

They are physically and as hunters by the very nature of how they live . One video of a wolf losing does not prove this wrong and considering 

Quote:Wolves are also only reproductively active once a year, whereas dogs can cycle multiple times. Pound for pound wolves are stronger, have better endurance, have a much greater bite force, and are faster than all but a very select few breeds ofdog. ... Selectively bred high-content wolf dogs.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/are...94770.html

Or as  Theodore Roosevelt one put it 

Quote:A wolf is a terrible fighter. He will decimate a pack of hounds by rapid snaps with his giant jaws while suffering little damage himself; nor are the ordinary big dogs, supposed to be fighting dogs, able to tackle him without special training. I have known one wolf to kill a bulldogwhich had rushed at it with a single snap, while another which had entered the yard of a Montana ranch house slew in quick succession both of the large mastiffs by which it was assailed. The immense agility and ferocity of the wild beast, the terrible snap of his long-toothed jaws, and the admirable training in which he always is, give him a great advantage over fat, small-toothed, smooth-skinned dogs, even though they are nominally supposed to belong to the fighting classes. In the way that bench competitions are arranged nowadays this is but natural, as there is no temptation to produce a worthy class of fighting dog when the rewards are given upon technical points wholly unconnected with the dog's usefulness. A prize-winning mastiff or bulldog may be almost useless for the only purposes for which his kind is ever useful at all. A mastiff, if properly trained and of sufficient size, might possibly be able to meet a young or undersized Texas wolf; but I have never seen a dog of this variety which I would esteem a match single-handed for one of the huge timber wolves of western Montana. Even if the dog was the heavier of the two, his teeth and claws would be very much smaller and weaker and his hide less tough.

Hunting the Grisly and Other Sketches:
http://www.fulltextarchive.com/page/Hunt...ches3/#p34

Quote:Wolves are independent and better problem solvers - Video shows a small group of wolves working together, and single dog outsmarts them.

I sighted studies that prove this one random video of a dog getting lucky does not refute this. 

Quote:Even primitive dog breeds (more “wolf like” dogs) seem to be less adept at solving problems and more inclined to look towards a human for help.

Quote:Wolves have around 33% more gray matter than a comparably sized domestic dog. In general, I’ve witnessed the ability among wolves and high content wolfdogs to solve problems quickly that stymy dogs until they give up.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/are...94770.html

Wolves fetch because it is in their nature to chase, like chasing prey.  Same with other dogs and retrievers.

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(December 12, 2018 at 6:13 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 12:53 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  *Sigh*

Okay.. First, your analogy/apeal to a 'Hypersimulation' kind of misses the point.

I keep asking specific questions... To which you pretty much thow up "But quantum..." as a reply.

You keep asserting all sorts of things (Most of which are rather stange to read, I must admit) that, when asked specific questions about certain aspects... You generally devolve into 'Woo' like replies.

So, you have no idea *How your diety might do any oth the things you've proposed.
You've happily ignored some of the possible problems raised by others about some of the aspects of your proposed diety's aspects/abilites/atributes.


So, here's a couple other questions.

How do you know your diety proposition/idea is as or more valid than other diety propositions/forms?
Why are you right and Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, Tao-ists, Zoroarastrians wrong?

 Not at work.

Its a troll.

Considering this, his responses could actually have been worse, but please dont expect a meaningful and honest interchange of opinions and arguments. Please do oyurself a favour and stop banging your head against this trollish wall.

I am not a troll man.  I would have been banned a long time ago if I was trolling here.  Ev got banned for it.

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(December 12, 2018 at 9:18 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 8:22 am)Amarok Wrote: I know alot about wolves 



I never said that so why is it in quotations ? i said they wouldn't be  good at fetching because there a wild animal .I clarified this already in a previous comment .


Citation needed but even if true this does not refute my point 



What are you on ?

Black Wolf who was named later named "Romeo" comes out of woods because it wanted to play.  Then started playing with other dogs.  Had a piece of styrofoam it started bringing to humans so it could play fetch.

Wow, another great video.  Man, I love wolves and dogs.  They amaze me.  I have two of my own dogs.  Just small dogs my ex-wife let me keep from the divorce.

Quote:Wolves fetch because it is in their nature to chase, like chasing prey.  Same with other dogs and retrievers.

I clarified and addressed this 

Quote:I am not a troll man.  I would have been banned a long time ago if I was trolling here.  Ev got banned for it.

The mods are not everywhere

(December 12, 2018 at 9:05 pm)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:Wolves fetch because it is in their nature to chase, like chasing prey.  Same with other dogs and retrievers.

I clarified and addressed this 

Quote:I am not a troll man.  I would have been banned a long time ago if I was trolling here.  Ev got banned for it.

The mods are not everywhere

OK, I'll have to check that out.

Come on Amarok, you know I am not trolling you guys and I truly believe every word that I am saying.  I am almost 40 years old.  I don't play games like trolling and stuff like that.  It's just not my thing.  I try hard to be honest with you guys and everyone.

That's even worse.

Mostly due to the fact that alot of what you've been saying...as these 1k pages have shown, has been demonstrably false. The question really isn't whether or not you believe it, but why..and who could have been so cruel as to fill your head with this nonsense.

(December 12, 2018 at 10:16 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: That's even worse.

Mostly due to the fact that alot of what you've been saying...as these 1k pages have shown, has been demonstrably false.  The question really isn't whether or not you believe it, but why..and who could have been so cruel as to fill your head with this nonsense.

It's not nonsense.

(December 12, 2018 at 11:11 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 10:16 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: That's even worse.

Mostly due to the fact that alot of what you've been saying...as these 1k pages have shown, has been demonstrably false.  The question really isn't whether or not you believe it, but why..and who could have been so cruel as to fill your head with this nonsense.

It's not nonsense.

Yeah, it really is.

(December 12, 2018 at 11:11 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 10:16 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: That's even worse.

Mostly due to the fact that alot of what you've been saying...as these 1k pages have shown, has been demonstrably false.  The question really isn't whether or not you believe it, but why..and who could have been so cruel as to fill your head with this nonsense.

It's not nonsense.

That goes in the "why" category.  Why do you need to assert this, why do you need to believe it.  What possible motive could all of the people here and every one of the sources they've linked you have?

Is the whole world and all of reality, god himself...even.... conspiring against those bits of nonsense you take to be valid and fruitful beliefs?

In a word, no. OFC not.  Ultimately, it's on you to realize how utterly ludicrous that would be....and working from that, come to some sort of accord with the world as it is...as...allegedly, your silly god made it. If god made the world, god made it in precisely the way that that you're arguing against. That much is a fact. It's non negotiable, non arguable. To deny that fact is to render your god concept absurd. Yes, evolution is real. Yes, you are related to every other living thing on earth. That...is how god made you, if god made you. Does it require a god? No. That, however..is immaterial. I don't need to be around for my black callas to grow - but I am. To be honest, that's a bigger god than you give the divine credit for. The lord of creation as a third rate tinkerer? Endlessly coding every instance of life as though he were an intern at a gaming studio. I suspect not. Maybe you could do a little less boxing in and just let the world inform you as to the nature of any gods alleged creative acts?

What's the problem?

(December 12, 2018 at 8:50 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 12:53 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  *Sigh*

Okay.. First, your analogy/apeal to a 'Hypersimulation' kind of misses the point.

I keep asking specific questions... To which you pretty much thow up "But quantum..." as a reply.

You keep asserting all sorts of things (Most of which are rather stange to read, I must admit) that, when asked specific questions about certain aspects... You generally devolve into 'Woo' like replies.

So, you have no idea *How your diety might do any oth the things you've proposed.
You've happily ignored some of the possible problems raised by others about some of the aspects of your proposed diety's aspects/abilites/atributes.


So, here's a couple other questions.

How do you know your diety proposition/idea is as or more valid than other diety propositions/forms?
Why are you right and Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, Tao-ists, Zoroarastrians wrong?

 Not at work.

Many other dieties are old pagan myths that are essentially the same.  They have wild and crazy creation stories or no creation stories at all.  The Muslims science is really strange in the Koran.  Also, Allah claims to be the greatest deceiver in the Koran.  Buddhists have no creation story.  Buddha was asked about it and he basically had no valid response in my opinion.  It is just a man that sat under a tree that figured out how not to care as much.  The other religions have similar issues; wild myths, bad science, poor creation story or no creation story,...  

Also, the Bible has 240 prophecies fulfilled.  That is foreknowledge of the future which Einstein showing time travel is possible also shows that a transcendent Creator could also know all of time.  A computer programmer could simulate a universe like that and know all of time in the simulation.  

That is the reasoning behind my faith.

Ultimately, God the Son came to Earth showing servant leadership by example.  True authentic leadership.  He took on the worst of it; from betrayal, to beatings and torture, to harassment,...  He did this and lived a sinless life as the Son of man.

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(December 12, 2018 at 12:59 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:  Better problem solvers?  More independent?

Three wolves in showdown with a dog.  Dog outsmarts all 3 by manipulating their behavior and juking them as soon as he found an advantage.  No human approval needed here.

Beautiful escape.

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(December 12, 2018 at 1:26 am)Amarok Wrote: Yes i do 

You say:

I was pointing out wolves are not domestic animals thus why would they be good at fetching 


They are physically and as hunters by the very nature of how they live . One video of a wolf losing does not prove this wrong and considering 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/are...94770.html

Or as  Theodore Roosevelt one put it 


Hunting the Grisly and Other Sketches:
http://www.fulltextarchive.com/page/Hunt...ches3/#p34


I sighted studies that prove this one random video of a dog getting lucky does not refute this. 



https://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/are...94770.html

Wolves fetch because it is in their nature to chase, like chasing prey.  Same with other dogs and retrievers.

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(December 12, 2018 at 6:13 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Its a troll.

Considering this, his responses could actually have been worse, but please dont expect a meaningful and honest interchange of opinions and arguments. Please do oyurself a favour and stop banging your head against this trollish wall.

I am not a troll man.  I would have been banned a long time ago if I was trolling here.  Ev got banned for it.

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(December 12, 2018 at 9:18 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Black Wolf who was named later named "Romeo" comes out of woods because it wanted to play.  Then started playing with other dogs.  Had a piece of styrofoam it started bringing to humans so it could play fetch.

Wow, another great video.  Man, I love wolves and dogs.  They amaze me.  I have two of my own dogs.  Just small dogs my ex-wife let me keep from the divorce.

Thank you. I love educational animal videos.  I think we can learn a lot from how creatures in the animal kingdom work together and even solve problems.

(December 12, 2018 at 11:30 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 11:11 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It's not nonsense.

That goes in the "why" category.  Why do you need to assert this, why do you need to believe it.  What possible motive could all of the people here and every one of the sources they've linked you have?

Is the whole world and all of reality, god himself...even.... conspiring against those bits of nonsense you take to be valid and fruitful beliefs?

In a word, no. OFC not.  Ultimately, it's on you to realize how utterly ludicrous that would be....and working from that, come to some sort of accord with the world as it is...as...allegedly, your silly god made it.  If god made the world, god made it in precisely the way that that you're arguing against.  That much is a fact.  It's non negotiable, non arguable.  To deny that fact is to render your god concept absurd.  Yes, evolution is real.  Yes, you are related to every other living thing on earth.  That...is how god made you, if god made you.  Does it require a god?  No.  That, however..is immaterial.  I don't need to be around for my black callas to grow - but I am.  To be honest, that's a bigger god than you give the divine credit for.  The lord of creation as a third rate tinkerer?  Endlessly coding every instance of life as though he were an intern at a gaming studio.  I suspect not.  Maybe you could do a little less boxing in and just let the world inform you as to the nature of any gods alleged creative acts?

(December 12, 2018 at 11:30 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(December 12, 2018 at 11:11 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It's not nonsense.

That goes in the "why" category.  Why do you need to assert this, why do you need to believe it.  What possible motive could all of the people here and every one of the sources they've linked you have?

Is the whole world and all of reality, god himself...even.... conspiring against those bits of nonsense you take to be valid and fruitful beliefs?

In a word, no. OFC not.  Ultimately, it's on you to realize how utterly ludicrous that would be....and working from that, come to some sort of accord with the world as it is...as...allegedly, your silly god made it.  If god made the world, god made it in precisely the way that that you're arguing against.  That much is a fact.  It's non negotiable, non arguable.  To deny that fact is to render your god concept absurd.  Yes, evolution is real.  Yes, you are related to every other living thing on earth.  That...is how god made you, if god made you.  Does it require a god?  No.  That, however..is immaterial.  I don't need to be around for my black callas to grow - but I am.  To be honest, that's a bigger god than you give the divine credit for.  The lord of creation as a third rate tinkerer?  Endlessly coding every instance of life as though he were an intern at a gaming studio.  I suspect not.  Maybe you could do a little less boxing in and just let the world inform you as to the nature of any gods alleged creative acts?

What's the problem?

God can control what He needs down here with hardly any effort at all.  The world is His footstool.