(December 13, 2018 at 9:01 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:Hitler was in power from 1933 to 1945. In all that time there were only 5 attempts on his life. One was by a foreign student. One was by a former KDP member. The other 3 were attempts by his own officers in the latter part of WW2. That doesn't like there was a whole lot of dissent...

Wikipedia lists (and sources) at least 25 attempts on Hitler's life from '33 to '44. That breaks down to about one every 21 weeks.
Boru

Yes, Wikipedia cites 25 attempts on Hitler's life. It appears that many of the instances  listed in the Wiki suffered from such poor enough planning that the actual attempts were never made. That makes them "failed plots" not "assassination attempts".

One planned to shoot Hitler at a meeting he wasn't allowed to go to. At least one is a claim that there was a plot made, but there is no evidence and no details of how the assassination was supposed to take place. Someone wanted to blow him up with a suicide vest but was wounded in combat and never had the opportunity to make the attempt. Another person wanted to use that same suicide vest at an event that was continually postponed until it was finally cancelled. One of the "assassination attempts" listed in your Wiki was actually just a grandious plot to arrest Hitler, not kill him. Etc., etc. 

That Wiki seems to be a little padded, or the authors don't know the actual differences between a plan, a plot, and an attempt. I was referencing a History Channel article about the 6 attempts that were actually made and had also had the potential to really kill Hitler. Perhaps some of the other "attempts" in that Wiki were made, but considering the low bar they've set I don't really feel it's worth the effort to wade through them all.

Regardless, I also want to make a correction that no one appears to have caught. I wrote in an earlier post that Hitler was in firmly power from 1933 until his death in 1945. Then I incorrectly wrote that as 22 years instead of 12. My bad.

Keep beating that drum it doesn't change my point. The 1933 election was a sham by any reasonable standard of democracy and any value of it and calling t's result anything but a sham nay a break down of democracy . Paints you in a very dark light .

(December 14, 2018 at 3:44 am)Amarok Wrote: Keep beating that drum it doesn't change my point. The  1933 election was a sham by any reasonable standard of democracy and any value of it and calling t's result anything but a sham nay a break down of democracy . Paints you in a very dark light .

I'm not trying to change your mind. You're welcome to be as ignorant as you want to be, and doing a fine job of it.

Looking at history through a modern lense while being in complete denial of the facts surrounding a historical event paints you in a very stupid light. Why would I want to change your mind about something like this when you clearly love basking in the warm glow of dumbassery. Besides, It's actually kind of funny reading some of the stupid that springs from your keyboard. So, I sincerely hope you stay just as you are. You're more entertaining this way.

I'm sure you're impressed with yourself.

Online egomaniacs always are 

And Hitler still didn't win a democratic election he undermined democracy through fear and repression

Out of curiosity, what is there to be gained by trying to make people believe that the German people weren't directly responsible for Hitler's rise to power?

Tell me, do you imagine that winning with 43.9% of the vote was the result of people voting for Hitler because they were afraid of him and wanted him to have even more power?

Do you imagine that all the German Jews, homosexuals, and Jehovah's Witnesses rushed out to cast their votes for the Nazis because they all knew Hitler hated them?

There were 13 other political parties in the 1933 election. 12% of the population did not vote. The party with the second most votes, the KDP, only received 18.3% of the vote. Are you aware that even if the 12% of the people who didn't vote chose not to due to intimidation that if every single one of them had voted for the KDP that Hitler and the Nazi party still would have won by popular vote?

Your continued insistence on rewriting history just doesn't withstand serious scrutiny. The evidence shows that, if anything, the Nazi campaign of intimidation and dirty tricks against their political opponents prior to the 3 elections in '32 and '33 actually increased their support among the people. I realize this discussion has placed a lot of importance on 3 elections, but the Nazi party, with Adolph Hitler as the de facto leader, was voted into power by the German people as the culmination of a long series of legal elections almost a decade long. No one disputes that the Nazis did a lot of dirty dealing to get to the January 1933 election. However, ultimately it was the German people who put Hitler in absolute power through the democratic process they, themselves, approved of.

You can call it whatever you want to. You can not like it. Denying is just stupid, though.

(December 15, 2018 at 7:11 am)Maketakunai Wrote: Out of curiosity, what is there to be gained by trying to make people believe that the German people weren't directly responsible for Hitler's rise to power?

Not the point. We're just trying to make sure everybody has the facts straight. People get sloppy and casual with topics like this, and then it's down the rabbit hole.

Quote:Out of curiosity, what is there to be gained by trying to make people believe that the German people weren't directly responsible for Hitler's rise to power?

Pretty sure the flow of this thread answers that

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(December 15, 2018 at 7:33 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(December 15, 2018 at 7:11 am)Maketakunai Wrote: Out of curiosity, what is there to be gained by trying to make people believe that the German people weren't directly responsible for Hitler's rise to power?

Not the point. We're just trying to make sure everybody has the facts straight. People get sloppy and casual with topics like this, and then it's down the rabbit hole.

That too

(December 15, 2018 at 7:33 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(December 15, 2018 at 7:11 am)Maketakunai Wrote: Out of curiosity, what is there to be gained by trying to make people believe that the German people weren't directly responsible for Hitler's rise to power?

Not the point. We're just trying to make sure everybody has the facts straight. People get sloppy and casual with topics like this, and then it's down the rabbit hole.

In fact it IS the point. This little hijack started because of a dispute about whether or not Hitler was elected. Ie: Was Hitler's rise to power the will of the people?

Enjoy your fact.