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June 7, 2011 at 12:35 am (This post was last modified: June 7, 2011 at 12:59 am by Godscreated.)
(June 6, 2011 at 3:53 pm)Godschild Wrote: Wrong, doing as you suggest would only draw those like Camping to misuse the Bible more than it already is. I've no idea how old you are so I do not know when you attended school, I however was attending school when the Bible was an poen book of learning and prayer was led by teachers. Guess what there were no kids killing kids, kids killing teachers and principles, teachers and principles trying to harm each other ect., this has all come about since God was removed from our schools and the moral decay of American society is alarming. You see, I see no flaw in teaghing the scriptures in school, I never said we should teach only parts of scripture what I said we should not evangelize in schools.
Cinjin Cain Wrote:Your theory of violence in schools has all come about since God was removed doesn't really hold water. You know why? Because far too often the shooters and the abusers and the pedophiles end up having significant ties to Christianity. That's right. The one's that are either pulling the triggers, or pulling down little boys pants are often your sweet worshipers of jesus. If we want to progress, history has shown us - keep religion out of it.
Where do you get your facts that most of the school shooters are tied to christianity?
(June 6, 2011 at 5:39 pm)Zenith Wrote:
(June 5, 2011 at 5:29 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: @ Zenith.
The point in my post was that humans assign significance is to numbers where there is none.
I missed the point you were trying to make with your follow up. Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing??????
Yeah, you're right (i.e. I agree with you)... I think I got to much into details and forgot the main idea. it's just that... some numbers are really fascinating!
Also, have you heard about the golden ratio?
Quote:the golden ratio, a favorite of mystical mathematicians and represented by the Greek letter Phi: φ. This is the proportion of a piece of paper such that if you cut a square-sized piece from one end, the remaining piece is in the same proportions as the original.
The ratio φ = (1+√5)/2 = 1.618...
Another interesting thing about φ is that φ = 1/(φ - 1) (wow!)
(June 6, 2011 at 11:28 am)Godschild Wrote: I think that DT is right in what he says, these people are looking to fulfill something in their lives
I didn't read DT saying that...
Quote:something that they do not understand and will latch onto anything that appeals to them and then respond to almost anything that is said to them. As for Camping he used the Bible to gain the attention he desired so in reality he is the same as those who follow him. Now I'm not saying that the Bible is wrong or at fault in any way, it's what he chose to bring people to his level. Unfortunately the type he appeals to will follow without looking into what has been said, all they had to do is read the Bible and they would have seen how wrong he was and will be.
Zenith Wrote:Well, most christians are interested in lots of things, but their bible is usually not one of them. They don't want a book, they want a preacher! A preacher to tell them what they want to hear, to make them live in a an atmosphere of supernatural, and stuff like that (and a book itself cannot do that). So even if they had been given the suggestion to read their bibles, 99% sure they wouldn't have done it.
I do not know where you get that from, most christians I know cherish their Bibles and read them often. Our pastor has always encouraged us to check him against the scriptures and you can bet it happens. You would be hard pressed to find gullible people in our church a great number of us have been teachers of the word.
Quote:This could very well be an argument for teaching scripture in our school systems and I'm not talking about trying to convert little children, just give them the basics of what the Bible teaches such as no one will know the day or hour in which Christ will return, nothing has to be taught as fact that He will return.
I would be against Islam being taught in schools or any other religion, they have never proved there effectiveness as a religion and I know from being part of a generation that was raised with the Bible and prayer in school that violence and other immoral things were not a part of our lives as it is with todays generation.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Quote:I would be against Islam being taught in schools or any other religion, they have never proved there effectiveness as a religion and I know from being part of a generation that was raised with the Bible and prayer in school that violence and other immoral things were not a part of our lives as it is with todays generation.
Classic bigotry, G-C. You learned your lessons well from those xtian fucks who taught you.
Are those the same xtian fucks that trained you min?
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
Quote:I would be against Islam being taught in schools or any other religion, they have never proved there effectiveness as a religion and I know from being part of a generation that was raised with the Bible and prayer in school that violence and other immoral things were not a part of our lives as it is with todays generation.
Classic bigotry, G-C. You learned your lessons well from those xtian fucks who taught you.
I'm not bigoted Min, I respect the rights of others to believe as they wish, I stated what I've experienced in my life, and take a stand for what I believe. You haven't nor will you ever hear me say bigoted remarks about anothers belief, that is not how I model my life as a christian. Yes I fully disagree with other religions but that in no way makes me a bigot. I will always stand for what I believe and you nor anyone else can ever change that. I try to never tread on anothers belief except for other christians who I know are misrepresenting christian standards. I do have little tolerance for those who call theirselves christian and have no idea what it mean to be a follower of Christ.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
sweeping irrational hate, is still sweeping irrational hate regardless of where it's direct.. if you'll notice the smiley though, it was mostly in fun. I mean is bigotry still bigotry if it's justified? No need to get your diaper .. I mean britches in more of a pinch than usual.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
(June 6, 2011 at 8:15 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: I read a really great book on the golden ratio and thing I found the most fascinating was that if you look at the Fibonacci sequence - {0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34...} - if you take any value in the sequence n and divide it by the previous value in the sequence or n/(n-1), this value approaches the golden ratio the further down the sequence you go.
I've also read that, only that I forgot to mention it!
June 7, 2011 at 4:54 pm (This post was last modified: June 7, 2011 at 4:54 pm by Zenith.)
(June 7, 2011 at 12:35 am)Godschild Wrote: I do not know where you get that from, most christians I know cherish their Bibles and read them often. Our pastor has always encouraged us to check him against the scriptures and you can bet it happens. You would be hard pressed to find gullible people in our church a great number of us have been teachers of the word.
Yeah, I forgot to mention... and those who read their bibles (well, about 99% of them) can't understand it except through the explanations of their preacher and through what their doctrine says (that's also why 99% of them never leave their denomination). And there are much more those who don't read their bibles, but it's not a big difference between these and the others.
October 1, 2011 at 10:22 am (This post was last modified: October 1, 2011 at 10:25 am by Manowar.)
I am using this thread again because 10/21/11 is the new date Harold, has predicted. Now that th date is less than 3 weeks away I was curious if he has been vocal about 10/21/11 but he has not, mainly because on June 9th he had a stroke. Apparently being picked on by the media and many Christians was too much. Wonder when 10/21/11 turns out to be a dud if Harold (assuming he gets better) will just drop this nonsense once and for all. I am sure many of you will say he will never drop it but I think sooner or later even the most hard-core believer realizes it's all bull. That's where all the new Atheists come
from, Christias that wake-up
