(December 24, 2018 at 7:52 am)Maketakunai Wrote: Amarok, you can barely put two coherent thoughts together. Your entire intellectual discourse consists of one line quips, denials, and avoidance. Children understand more of the written word than you do. I honestly feel sorry for anyone who has the misfortune of taking you seriously.

Lots of luck trans people! If this is what you want for yourselves, you'll need all the luck you can get.

You hear that whistling sound approaching you?

(December 25, 2018 at 6:26 am)LastPoet Wrote:

(December 24, 2018 at 7:52 am)Maketakunai Wrote: Amarok, you can barely put two coherent thoughts together. Your entire intellectual discourse consists of one line quips, denials, and avoidance. Children understand more of the written word than you do. I honestly feel sorry for anyone who has the misfortune of taking you seriously.

Lots of luck trans people! If this is what you want for yourselves, you'll need all the luck you can get.

You hear that whistling sound approaching you?

Lol 

(December 25, 2018 at 1:49 am)Jehanne Wrote: We're just asking for civil rights protections, similar to race, sex and religion.  What's the issue here?

I don't recall ever saying I was against transgender people having civil rights. 

I DO recall pointing out that there are laws already on the books that give you the same rights as everyone else, and made the somewhat obvious point that if they aren't working now there is no reason to believe that more laws are going to resolve your issues. 

I DO recall attempting to open a dialog with you directly, Jehanne. I believe that transgender people are smart enough and capable enough to solve their own problems within the framework of the laws that are already on the books. Amarok decided he knows what's best for you and you seem content with letting him speak for you and solve your problems for you. 

Clearly, I was wrong since you prefer to throw out this straw man about civil rights rather than discuss the actual content of my posts. So, I sincerely wish you good luck, because I'm pretty sure you are going to need it...

(December 25, 2018 at 6:37 am)Maketakunai Wrote:

(December 25, 2018 at 1:49 am)Jehanne Wrote: We're just asking for civil rights protections, similar to race, sex and religion.  What's the issue here?

I don't recall ever saying I was against transgender people having civil rights. 

I DO recall pointing out that there are laws already on the books that give you the same rights as everyone else, and made the somewhat obvious point that if they aren't working now there is no reason to believe that more laws are going to resolve your issues. 

I DO recall attempting to open a dialog with you directly, Jehanne. I believe that transgender people are smart enough and capable enough to solve their own problems within the framework of the laws that are already on the books. Amarok decided he knows what's best for you and you seem content with letting him speak for you and solve your problems for you. 

Clearly, I was wrong since you prefer to throw out this straw man about civil rights rather than discuss the actual content of my posts. So, I sincerely wish you good luck, because I'm pretty sure you are going to need it...

I got your PM, thanks.

Do people get discriminated against in the workforce due to their age?  Answer:  Yes.  Due to race?  Yes.  Religion, sex, sexual orientation?  Yes, yes, and yes.  Gender identity?  Also yes.

In some people's minds, if something is not illegal, then, it's legal, and, moral.

I think I see now, putting "conservative" in front of a word is the same as "dick" so a "conservative atheist" is a "dick atheist".

Well, my Kissmas gift came. Makenosense has gone to the fjords.
Praise be to his noodles.
RAmen

(December 25, 2018 at 6:52 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(December 25, 2018 at 6:37 am)Maketakunai Wrote: I don't recall ever saying I was against transgender people having civil rights. 

I DO recall pointing out that there are laws already on the books that give you the same rights as everyone else, and made the somewhat obvious point that if they aren't working now there is no reason to believe that more laws are going to resolve your issues. 

I DO recall attempting to open a dialog with you directly, Jehanne. I believe that transgender people are smart enough and capable enough to solve their own problems within the framework of the laws that are already on the books. Amarok decided he knows what's best for you and you seem content with letting him speak for you and solve your problems for you. 

Clearly, I was wrong since you prefer to throw out this straw man about civil rights rather than discuss the actual content of my posts. So, I sincerely wish you good luck, because I'm pretty sure you are going to need it...

I got your PM, thanks.

Do people get discriminated against in the workforce due to their age?  Answer:  Yes.  Due to race?  Yes.  Religion, sex, sexual orientation?  Yes, yes, and yes.  Gender identity?  Also yes.

In some people's minds, if something is not illegal, then, it's legal, and, moral.

So there is heap load of bs here 

1. Even if he isn't against civil rights he supports a party that is and the can and need to be fixed rather then shifting the responsibility onto the trans community and you clearly don't have the same rights in any particle sense .

2. He keeps arguing this straw man about me . No were did I say trans people are not smart or capable . I have said clearly they should not need to be to deal with discrimination  . They are neither cause of the problem of their discrimination thus they should have to be the ones to solve it a problem created majority by people on his side of  the isle .And you shouldn't need to open up your own freaking bank to do basic finance and neither nor you anyone else has asked me to speak for them And lastly everyone who has ever sought my help has done so of their own violation and had to put effort in i'm were people go when all the "empowerment "and everyone of my clients has put more effort into being "smart" then Metaclown has ever done in his life .

3. Or he has no clue what civil rights are or his definition is alien to any real decision about it ,And considering your doing okay  Jeh you don't need his "luck"

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(December 25, 2018 at 5:46 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Well, my Kissmas gift came. Makenosense has gone to the fjords.  
Praise be to his noodles.
RAmen

It's truly a Christmas miracle (done by the moderators by totally nature means )

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Yeah no more have to here 

Him cite examples that make no sense aren't comparable or simply make his position look worst then before . (people should have to deal with discrimination by upping sticks and forming their own back )

Him proclaiming that an election were people are jailed and beaten is a valid election simply because a winner was proclaimed .

Him not understanding the difference between sex and gender and sexuality

Him griping about being "mobbed " or "bullied" and pretending he's a hero . When he totally brought it on himself .

(December 25, 2018 at 6:52 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(December 25, 2018 at 6:37 am)Maketakunai Wrote: I don't recall ever saying I was against transgender people having civil rights. 

I DO recall pointing out that there are laws already on the books that give you the same rights as everyone else, and made the somewhat obvious point that if they aren't working now there is no reason to believe that more laws are going to resolve your issues. 

I DO recall attempting to open a dialog with you directly, Jehanne. I believe that transgender people are smart enough and capable enough to solve their own problems within the framework of the laws that are already on the books. Amarok decided he knows what's best for you and you seem content with letting him speak for you and solve your problems for you. 

Clearly, I was wrong since you prefer to throw out this straw man about civil rights rather than discuss the actual content of my posts. So, I sincerely wish you good luck, because I'm pretty sure you are going to need it...

I got your PM, thanks.

Do people get discriminated against in the workforce due to their age?  Answer:  Yes.  Due to race?  Yes.  Religion, sex, sexual orientation?  Yes, yes, and yes.  Gender identity?  Also yes.

In some people's minds, if something is not illegal, then, it's legal, and, moral.

And that's awful and needs to be fixed and the solution is not the insistence that these groups should have to come up with alternative power structures to deal with discrimination that they are not the cause of .

Quote:Love you too, Puddin! 

Maybe you can help me out here. Are you aware that eating ass, or "licking feces" as you put it, is kind of a thing with gay men and pre-op m-to-f transexuals? Some like to think their asshole is their pussy, so licking another dudes asshole plays into the delusion that their partner is a woman. I mention this because it's a strange sort of insult in a conversation about gays and transexuals if you're trying to make me look bad... 

So of BS about gays and trans people .