(January 12, 2019 at 4:39 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 3:37 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: How did you come up with "13 odd billion years away?"

I don't think that is generally assumed to be the case.  God is with us.

Exactly.

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(January 12, 2019 at 3:25 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  Now, y'see, this is where I have a question or two.

Now... if there is some diety "... Outside the boundaries of this universe.. " then that puts said critter something like 13 odd billion years away from us.

Y'now, the whole  'Outside what we can see/Outside space and time' thing?

So... if said deity is all the way over/back there... How then exactly does it interact with things here and now?

Not at work.

His throne is there but He resides here as well.

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(January 12, 2019 at 4:23 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: For now it makes more sense to just address you, then maybe CDF47 can expand on the context he was sharing or even agree or disagree with me if he would like to. That way you're getting an explanation from me per our discussion, and I'm not saying he's correct/incorrect without him being able to provide his thoughts on the matter.

God exists in many ways, so no reason to assume limits.

Spiritually both within and outside of us.
Physically as Jesus Christ, and through the design of his creation.

Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1 Cor 6:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

Agreed!

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(January 12, 2019 at 4:34 pm)Nomad Wrote: Yes, it shows the likes of you up as bullshitters or idiots.

No, it doesn't.

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God is everywhere.

"God is everywhere" .....

Um no, this is just our species looking at pretty things in life, and ignoring all the nasty things.

It is possible to value beauty and good in life, and at the same time see the nasty things in life and see both as natural and not a comic book battle between Superman and Lex Luther.

Saying that ecoli is natural, is not saying you want it to affect you. Saying that a tornado is natural also does not mean you want it to affect you. Saying crime happens is also not saying you think it is good.

Both the good and bad that happen in life are natural, not a product of old mythology. 

I can still value my late mother, my pet cat, and my best friend without chalking those things up to a super hero.

I see tons of beauty in an ocean view on a calm day, but I don't ignore the fact hurricanes and tsunamis kill humans. Both are natural events.

Quote:Things are either designed or not.  Either a Creator created them or it's a random event.  Natural processes are just that.  Un-directed processes.

Actually that is totally false.
Is the flow of electrical current undirected ?

YOU referenced an "order of magnitude". Either tell us what (all) the orders of magnitude are, or stop lying.

(January 12, 2019 at 5:28 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:Things are either designed or not.  Either a Creator created them or it's a random event.  Natural processes are just that.  Un-directed processes.

Actually that is totally false.
Is the flow of electrical current undirected ?

YOU referenced an "order of magnitude". Either tell us what (all) the orders of magnitude are, or stop lying.

He's right.  "Orders of Magnitude' are x10.

1x10 =10
10x10 =100
100x10 = 1000

(These don't necessarily have to be applied to 1, or more correctly stated "powers of 10")

So you could start with 3x10 and the first order would be 30, then 300, etc...

Your request has a false premise in it though because the response would have to be infinite to specify "all", so it is best to just explain it.

(January 12, 2019 at 5:44 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 5:28 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Actually that is totally false.
Is the flow of electrical current undirected ?

YOU referenced an "order of magnitude". Either tell us what (all) the orders of magnitude are, or stop lying.

He's right.  "Orders of Magnitude' are x10.

1x10 =10
10x10 =100
100x10 = 1000

(These don't necessarily have to be applied to 1, or more correctly stated "powers of 10")

So you could start with 3x10 and the first order would be 30, then 300, etc...

Your request has a false premise in it though because the response would have to be infinite to specify "all", so it is best to just explain it.

^^^^^ How does any of this point to a magic baby, Yahweh, Vishnu, Allah or Buddha?

Certainly it clearly points to the existence of Thor being the cause of lightening.

(January 12, 2019 at 5:48 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 5:44 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: He's right.  "Orders of Magnitude' are x10.

1x10 =10
10x10 =100
100x10 = 1000

(These don't necessarily have to be applied to 1, or more correctly stated "powers of 10")

So you could start with 3x10 and the first order would be 30, then 300, etc...

Your request has a false premise in it though because the response would have to be infinite to specify "all", so it is best to just explain it.

^^^^^ How does any of this point to a magic baby, Yahweh, Vishnu, Allah or Buddha?

Certainly it clearly points to the existence of Thor being the cause of lightening.

He asked about orders of magnitude, not Thor.

(January 12, 2019 at 3:42 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Since we can see out/back something like 13 odd billion light years.... That's how far 'away' all of space is

The universe is 13bio years old, but the size of the observable universe (accelerating expansion!) is: ca. 46GLy This is the max. distance from where information from the big bang can reach us.

Our event horizon is 16BLy. This is the distance from with new information (sent right now) will reach us, ever.

(January 12, 2019 at 5:51 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 3:42 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Since we can see out/back something like 13 odd billion light years.... That's how far 'away' all of space is

The universe is 13bio years old, but the size of the observable universe (accelerating expansion!) is: ca. 46GLy This is the max. distance from where information from the big bang can reach us.

Our event horizon is 16BLy. This is the distance from with new information (sent right now) will reach us, ever.

(January 12, 2019 at 5:51 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 3:42 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Since we can see out/back something like 13 odd billion light years.... That's how far 'away' all of space is

The universe is 13bio years old, but the size of the observable universe (accelerating expansion!) is: ca. 46GLy This is the max. distance from where information from the big bang can reach us.

Our event horizon is 16BLy. This is the distance from with new information (sent right now) will reach us, ever.

Better way to phrase that is the farthest parts of the universe we have ever observed,or can ever observe using any means of which we have solid understanding now, is currently 46 billion light years away.  But we only observed its past when it was 13 billion light years away.

It is misleading to say the observable universe is 46 billion light years in size because the part of the universe we observed when it was 13 billion light years away, and that is now 46 billion years away, is not, and will never be, observable when it is 46 billion light years away, ever.

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(January 12, 2019 at 6:00 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 5:51 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: The universe is 13bio years old, but the size of the observable universe (accelerating expansion!) is: ca. 46GLy This is the max. distance from where information from the big bang can reach us.

Our event horizon is 16BLy. This is the distance from with new information (sent right now) will reach us, ever.

You should go and fuck a different part of yourself.  There is nothing behind your forehead to fuck,

(January 12, 2019 at 6:15 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 5:51 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: The universe is 13bio years old, but the size of the observable universe (accelerating expansion!) is: ca. 46GLy This is the max. distance from where information from the big bang can reach us.

Our event horizon is 16BLy. This is the distance from with new information (sent right now) will reach us, ever.

Better way to phrase that is the farthest parts of the universe we have ever observed,or can ever observe using any means of which we have solid understanding now, is currently 46 billion light years away.  But we only observed its past when it was 13 billion light years away.

It is misleading to say the observable universe is 46 billion light years in size because the part of the universe we observed when it was 13 billion light years away, and that is now 46 billion years away, is not, and will never be, observable when it is 46 billion light years away, ever.

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(January 12, 2019 at 6:00 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

You should go and fuck a different part of yourself.  There is nothing behind your forehead to fuck,

Which is why I am giving you such gentle and helpful advice.