(January 12, 2019 at 5:54 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: You may not look at the universe as caring about you, but God does.

"Because the Bible tells me (you) so"??  Thanks, but no thanks; I have much better things to do with my time than to contemplate that which does not exist, must less pray to "it".

(January 12, 2019 at 9:11 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 5:54 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: You may not look at the universe as caring about you, but God does.

"Because the Bible tells me (you) so"??  Thanks, but no thanks; I have much better things to do with my time than to contemplate that which does not exist, must less pray to "it".

And when that time runs out?

(January 12, 2019 at 11:42 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(January 11, 2019 at 5:50 am)Belaqua Wrote: And Copernicus didn't "revive" the knowledge of Alexandria

Lol! In what way he didn't revive the knowledge of Alexandria when he clearly attributed the heliocentric theory to Aristarchus who lived most of his life in Alexandria! Aristarchus entirety of work was lost in a great fire that destroyed the library in Alexandria.

I see what you mean. Yes, I agree we can use the word "revive" about heliocentrism. The theory was known in ancient times and generally rejected because people thought geocentrism explained things better. Do you think that Copernicus et.al. wouldn't have figured out heliocentrism if Aristarchus hadn't written? 

Do you have any evidence that Aristarchus' work was lost due to the fire in Alexandria? The link you give doesn't say that, exactly, and a lot of books were lost in other ways. Was the fire you mention the one caused by Julius Caesar, or another one? 

Quote:And most of the European rediscovery of ancient world came during the renaissance after the fall of Constantinople when some of the ancient books were brought to Europe.

Here are some other rediscoveries 

http://www.nautis.com/the-library-of-ale...knowledge/

That's right. There were ancient books in Constantinople and elsewhere, not only Alexandria. 

That's a good link, thank you for that. The "lost knowledge" that it lists isn't only related to Alexandria. Many of the thinkers it lists, whose knowledge was forgotten, lived long after the library. Some of it was completely forgotten, and some just didn't get transmitted widely. Some of it was in China, so it's understandable that people in the West didn't get it right away. 

So it's an interesting list, and does nothing to argue that Christians attacking the library of Alexandria were responsible for the loss of knowledge. As I said before, the library was already gone. This is not to say that I am in favor of Christians attacking Neoplatonic temples, whether they do or do not contain books. I am against attacking people. 

The link you give also attributes the burning of the Library to the Romans, before Christ lived. "It functioned as a major center of scholarship from its construction in the 3rd century BC until the Roman conquest of Egypt in 30 BC when it was burned to the ground." That may be a bit simplified, but it seems to absolve the Alexandrian Christians of blame.

(January 12, 2019 at 9:15 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 9:11 pm)Jehanne Wrote: "Because the Bible tells me (you) so"??  Thanks, but no thanks; I have much better things to do with my time than to contemplate that which does not exist, must less pray to "it".

And when that time runs out?

Then I end my life in the real World and not one of make-believe and fantasy.  You and I are in the same "boat"; it's just that you live life with an intellectual bag over your head.  It's okay to believe in Life Before Death.

(January 12, 2019 at 9:39 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 9:15 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: And when that time runs out?

Then I end my life in the real World and not one of make-believe and fantasy.  You and I are in the same "boat"; it's just that you live life with an intellectual bag over your head.  It's okay to believe in Life Before Death.

Uh oh, another one.

Okay Captain Intellectual.

(January 12, 2019 at 9:46 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 9:39 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Then I end my life in the real World and not one of make-believe and fantasy.  You and I are in the same "boat"; it's just that you live life with an intellectual bag over your head.  It's okay to believe in Life Before Death.

Uh oh, another one.

Okay Captain Intellectual.

What's the alternative?

(January 12, 2019 at 10:01 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 9:46 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Uh oh, another one.

Okay Captain Intellectual.

What's the alternative?

Don't fold.

(January 12, 2019 at 10:57 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 10:01 pm)Jehanne Wrote: What's the alternative?

Don't fold.

Play "The Wager'?  That's an invitation to lose my self-respect and my dignity as a human being, not to mention an invitation to a schizoid state of existence.

I will be posting an audible book recommendation here soon in a new thread; please look for that.  It's under $10 for one book, under $12 for the other.

(January 12, 2019 at 11:10 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 10:57 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Don't fold.

Play "The Wager'?  That's an invitation to lose my self-respect and my dignity as a human being, not to mention an invitation to a schizoid state of existence.

I will be posting an audible book recommendation here soon in a new thread; please look for that.  It's under $10 for one book, under $12 for the other.

I'll look for it.

If not folding would cause you to lose self-respect and dignity, what are those things based on in your life?  Just curious.

(January 12, 2019 at 11:14 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 11:10 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Play "The Wager'?  That's an invitation to lose my self-respect and my dignity as a human being, not to mention an invitation to a schizoid state of existence.

I will be posting an audible book recommendation here soon in a new thread; please look for that.  It's under $10 for one book, under $12 for the other.

I'll look for it.

If not folding would cause you to lose self-respect and dignity, what are those things based on in your life?  Just curious.

Those whom I love and that which I learn, and ultimately, the survival of my species and those of my World.