Jesus reputedly didn't die at all. At worst, he was temporarily inconvenienced for half a weekend.

Quote:He was a catholic priest and theologian for over 50 years, and you accused him of being a heretic, a charge no catholic has leveled at him. I’d take the opinion of the Catholic Church on who or what they consider heritical, over some random atheist/non-catholic on the internet, lol.

You do whatever you like, dear. LOL. 
No Catholic (and no Christian of any stripe) would say that the reason for the Incarnation was nothing, but for Jesus to be human.
No one, and certainly no priest. 
So far you have posted not one opinion from the Catholic Church on his theology, pro or con. 

You still misspelled heretical ... guess we can't take your opinion on anything, since you can't spell. 
I told you more than once, I'm not an atheist. Why do you insist on repeating your lies ?

"“There was, from the point of view of God’s life, no such thing as a moment at which the eternal Son of God was not Jesus of Nazareth…. The eternal life of Jesus as such could not precede, follow or be simultaneous with his human life. There is no story of God ‘before’ the story of Jesus.”

1. Hebrews did not buy (and still don't) the notion of a trinity. For a Jew, a "son" of god (and there were many) merely meant someone was righteous.
2. This notion he spouts, denies the fall of man, and the need for salvation. It denies many of the most important Christian beliefs, (the Incarnation for one) ...
3. The last sentence is preposterously false, according to RC theology.

Yeah, he's a heretic. It's nothing but BS revisionism of basic nonsense. It certainly is not Catholic.
Lots of men were priests for an even longer time. They were also heretics.

"Forty-five years later, in God Still Matters (2002), he remained convinced that the doctrine of the Trinity “announces the most ultimate liberation of people...their liberation from mere creaturehood,” their “divinization.” There is nothing in RC theology (or Christian theology either). that says humans are to become divine. Nothing.
McCabe is WAY out on the left fringe, ... a wacko lefty.
http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/radical-op

"McCabe went on to write: "The Church is quite plainly corrupt: a cardinal selects Christmas as the occasion for supporting the murder of Vietnamese civilians; the Pope alleges that the church's teaching is not in doubt about birth control; the Congregation of Rights has just asserted that a family communion celebrated in a private home and followed by a meal is a practice 'alien to the Catholic religion', while nearer home and more comically, a Bishop has expressed the fear that Catholics who sing carols in Anglican churches are endangering their faith and morals."

"McCabe was suspended from his priestly duties - though the suspension was quickly lifted after intercession in Rome by Archbishop Cardinale, then the Apostolic Delegate - and lost his position as editor of New Blackfriars. He returned unrepentant to the helm of the journal in 1970, beginning his first leading article with "As I was saying when I was so oddly interrupted . . ."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituar...cCabe.html

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(January 13, 2019 at 11:24 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Jesus reputedly didn't die at all. At worst, he was temporarily inconvenienced for half a weekend.

LOL. It is a day and a half ... LOL.

Quote:Bucky Ball You do whatever you like, dear. LOL.  No Catholic (and no Christian of any stripe) would say that the reason for the Incarnation was nothing, but for Jesus to be human. 

Strawman, Mccabe never claims the incarnation was nothing, but for Jesus to be human. 

What he did say is Christ’s obedience consists in nothing else but being history, human. 

Just to drive the point even further, lets quote the Catechism of the Catholic Church: 


459 The Word became flesh to be our model of holiness: "Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me." "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me."74 On the mountain of the Transfiguration, the Father commands: "Listen to him!"75 Jesus is the model for the Beatitudes and the norm of the new law: "Love one another as I have loved you."76 This love implies an effective offering of oneself, after his example.77
460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81

Quote:here was, from the point of view of God’s life, no such thing as a moment at which the eternal Son of God was not Jesus of Nazareth…. The eternal life of Jesus as such could not precede, follow or be simultaneous with his human life. There is no story of God ‘before’ the story of Jesus.”

The last sentence is preposterously false, according to RC theology. 

Again quoting the catechism:

“The Church thus confesses that Jesus is inseparably true God and true man. 

Everything that Christ is and does in this nature derives from "one of the Trinity". The Son of God therefore communicates to his humanity his own personal mode of existence in the Trinity. In his soul as in his body, Christ thus expresses humanly the divine ways of the Trinity”

Quote:“McCabe was suspended from his priestly duties - though the suspension was quickly lifted after intercession in Rome by Archbishop Cardinale, then the Apostolic Delegate - and lost his position as editor of New Blackfriars. He returned unrepentant to the helm of the journal in 1970, beginning his first leading article with "As I was saying when I was so oddly interrupted . . ." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1337953/Herbert-McCabe.html 

Yes, the closest Mccabe ever came to being reprimanded for his views, is when he criticized the theologian Charles Davis for leaving the church, denouncing it as corrupt. Mccabe countered “of course the Church was corrupt but that this was no reason to leave it.” He was removed as editor of the New Blackfriars journal, but shortly thereafter reinstated. Not bad for a supposedly heretical catholic priest and theologian. 

Judging that the Catholic church, never took a strong stance on any of Mccabe’s theological views, your claim that they were heretical from a catholic perspective, holds no real merit. Might as well accuse the Pope of being a heretical catholic while you’re at it as well. 

Quote:I already told you, I'm not an atheist 

Do you posses a belief that God exists? 

If the answer is no, you’re an atheist. 

Acrobat

Quote:Again quoting the catechism:“The Church thus confesses that Jesus is inseparably true God and true man. Everything that Christ is and does in this nature derives from "one of the Trinity". The Son of God therefore communicates to his humanity his own personal mode of existence in the Trinity. In his soul as in his body, Christ thus expresses humanly the divine ways of the Trinity”

Your little quote there in no way even relates to what I quoted from McCabe. Try harder next time.

Quote:Yes, the closest Mccabe ever came to being reprimanded for his views, is when he criticized the theologian Charles Davis for leaving the church, denouncing it as corrupt. Mccabe countered “

You have no idea what went on behind the scenes, and the fact that Commonwheel called him a radical in a day of radicals, means even they (a radical magazine) thought he was a radical.
A lot of Catholics call the pope a heretic, (of the ones that don't leave) some even say the See of Peter is and has been vacant for a long time ... (Suscipe Domine).  LOL

Quote:Do you posses a belief that God exists?
If the answer is no, you’re an atheist. 

I do get that as a Catholic you think you get to pontificate and mind-read about what others think, but the fact is your ignorant childish simplistic nonsense concerning "god" is
hilarious. What "god are you even talking about ? Your Jesus-god, or the Yahweh god ? Jews don't buy your Jebus, .... are they atheists ?
If I believe in Allah (the Arabic moon-god) does that count ? Yahweh, the Babylonian god of the armies ? Does he count ?
Oh .... YOUR god. I get it. LMAO.

BTW, faith is a *gift* ... the absence of it, is not a moral failing, (according to St. Paul) ... stop being so judgmental ... as Jebus told you.

Ephesians 2:8-9
" For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast."

LOL

(January 13, 2019 at 11:39 pm)Bucky BallNothing. Wrote: McCabe is WAY out on the left fringe, ... a wacko lefty.
http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/radical-op

That's interesting, the commonwealth article suggests the exact opposite of what you suggest. 

It indicates that Mccabe was orthodox in his religious view, and despised liberal christianity.

"And just as phony consumables couldn’t pass for bread and wine, so too was liberal Christianity, in his view, a bourgeois perversion of the gospel[...] In McCabe’s view, the liberal attitude rested on hopes that were in equal parts naive and banal "


“Yet he was arguably a more incisive theorist of revolution than any of these contemporaries, and the reason lies in his creative fidelity to orthodox Catholic theology.”



“There’s a productive perversity about his writing, which illuminates orthodoxy by putting an idiosyncratic spin on the commonsensical.”




I think the Commonwealth magazine is a better judge of Catholic Orthodoxy, then you are as an atheist, lol. 

(January 14, 2019 at 1:24 pm)Acrobat Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 11:39 pm)Bucky BallNothing. Wrote: McCabe is WAY out on the left fringe, ... a wacko lefty.
http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/radical-op

That's interesting, the commonwealth article suggests the exact opposite of what you suggest. 

It indicates that Mccabe was orthodox in his religious view, and despised liberal christianity.

"And just as phony consumables couldn’t pass for bread and wine, so too was liberal Christianity, in his view, a bourgeois perversion of the gospel[...] In McCabe’s view, the liberal attitude rested on hopes that were in equal parts naive and banal "


“Yet he was arguably a more incisive theorist of revolution than any of these contemporaries, and the reason lies in his creative fidelity to orthodox Catholic theology.”



“There’s a productive perversity about his writing, which illuminates orthodoxy by putting an idiosyncratic spin on the commonsensical.”




I think the Commonwealth magazine is a better judge of Catholic Orthodoxy, then you are as an atheist, lol. 

You just keep lying to yourself there sport.
BTW, it's CommonWHEEL, not Commonwealth (a famous American CATHOLIC publication), ... which just demonstrates your complete and total ignorance of the entire culture you think you are able to discuss. You are 12, aren't you.

(January 14, 2019 at 1:31 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: What "god are you even talking about ?
If I believe in Allah (the Arabic moon-god) does that count ? Yahweh, the Babylonian god of the armies ? Does he count ?

Yes, if you posses a belief in any God, whether that be Zeus, Allah, Yahweh, etc... this by definition disqualifies you as an atheist.

If you don't posses a belief in any God, by definition you're an atheist. 

Judging that you lack a belief in God/s, you're an atheist.

If you're this confused about your atheism, it's not surprising that you're this confused about orthodox and non-orthodox catholic views, lol.

(January 14, 2019 at 1:31 pm)Acrobat Wrote:

Quote: 

Yes, if you posses a belief in any God, whether that be Zeus, Allah, Yahweh, etc... this by definition disqualifies you as an atheist.

If you don't posses a belief in any God, by definition you're an atheist. 

Judging that you lack a belief in God/s, you're an atheist.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged" .... Acromindreadingtwat
(Your charity is remarkable).

(January 14, 2019 at 1:34 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(January 14, 2019 at 1:31 pm)Acrobat Wrote: Yes, if you posses a belief in any God, whether that be Zeus, Allah, Yahweh, etc... this by definition disqualifies you as an atheist.

If you don't posses a belief in any God, by definition you're an atheist. 

Judging that you lack a belief in God/s, you're an atheist.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged" .... Acromindreadingtwat
(Your charity is remarkable).

Adding to your confusion isn't charitable. 

Bucky Ball lacks a belief in God/s, thereby making him an atheist. No mind reading required.

It's bit ironic, that the guy accusing a catholic priest of being a heretic, is complaining of being called an atheist.

(January 14, 2019 at 1:40 pm)Acrobat Wrote:

(January 14, 2019 at 1:34 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: "Judge not, lest ye be judged" .... Acromindreadingtwat
(Your charity is remarkable).

Adding to your confusion isn't charitable. 

Bucky Ball lacks a belief in God/s, thereby making him an atheist. No mind reading required.

I do, I do believe.
I believe in the pedophile Jebus of the Roman Catholic Chrurch.
No one is "complaining" about anything, (except your constant misrepresentation of the facts).
I do get you need (as many religionists) .. the world in nice neat separate boxes, tied up with neat bows.
Suffering from "low ambiguity tolerance" is a common theme in religiosity.