(January 25, 2019 at 4:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(January 25, 2019 at 4:15 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: So what, you're just telling me about your own silly beliefs again.  What eternal importance could believing the silly things you believe have?  At least snookies having a baby.  Babies are real, and important.  Your silly beliefs are just silly beliefs.

Thats not how facts work.  If what you said is not a fact, then what you said is not a fact, full stop.

What you've said were not facts.  Full stop.  Also a fact...that's one of the dumbest things that I've ever seen anyone write, and I've been here having discussions like these with loons like you for awhile.

That is a belief but it is based on logic and reason as well as faith.

Buddy, if you had reason and evidence, you wouldn’t need faith, now would you?

Further, if faith is required, why have you spent 1,200 pages trying to convince us you’re right using ID theory? Wtf?!

And it goes on and on

(January 25, 2019 at 4:25 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: No, it's not.  If it were, you could show it, but in 1k pages you haven't.  You've merely repeated the belief.  It's okay that it's your fact and logic free belief..it really is.  It's not okay to misrepresent it as something it isn't.

Jesus doesn't care much for a liar, or for those who preach a false gospel.

Yes, I have shown it (regarding DNA proving design).  I am no liar and i speak the truth.

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(January 25, 2019 at 4:40 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(January 25, 2019 at 4:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: That is a belief but it is based on logic and reason as well as faith.

Facts don’t come from wish thinking masquerading as logic or reason.   It absofuckinglutely never comes from faith.   Facts are deduced from evidence.  You have produced no salient evidence, no sound deduction, as has been explained to you in meticulous detail many times.

Only idiot arrogance made possible by your disgusting religion caused you to come back again and again with the same shit, and narrowed your patgetic mind so much that you are unable to do anything else.

LOL...Oh come on, I'm not that messed up.

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(January 25, 2019 at 5:30 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(January 25, 2019 at 2:58 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I only really disagree with the multiverse and common ancestry in general related to this argument.

Yes, as I said; only the categories of science that disagree with your world view, lol.  You don see anything wrong with that...?

I believe those are flawed and there is no strong evidence for either.  I really believe that and see nothing wrong with it.  I was a skeptic for a point in my life before I found out that there was information in DNA.  Skeptic in that I wondered if to hold a deist view point or a Christian view point (I always excepted Christ though so never really a deist).  Design was always pretty evident to me except for a short time as a child.  I had an atheistic friend who briefly convinced me there was no God when I was 8 years old.  I will never forget that.  My one week or so as an atheist at 8 years old...LOL.

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(January 25, 2019 at 5:41 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Alot of people assume that some counterfactual thing is necessary for their worldview to be true.  Consider his earlier proclamation that if what he's said is not a fact, then there are no facts.

This mistaken assumption leads to extremely specific denials.  

For him, for example....common ancestry is "untrue"..but only because he thinks that this would make his religion false.  He likely doesn't think that paternity tests are "untrue" - and doesn't realize that the truth of a paternity test and the truth of common ancestry rest on the same facts and methodologies.  So he denies one specific aspect of a broader fact he actually accepts, even.

It's not a categorical rejection....it's a surgical one, lol.  That's what makes it so funny.  If he was just like "fuck biology, whadda they know" that would be one thing.  I bet he even knows why he's wrong, even though he certainly doesn't think it makes him wrong.

No, you got that wrong.  The facts I was referring to is that the information in DNA proves design.  The rest of what I said are my beliefs and claims and other facts.

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(January 25, 2019 at 5:46 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(January 25, 2019 at 5:41 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: It's not a categorical rejection....it's a surgical one, lol.  

Lol, that is a very good analogy.

No, it is not since the evidence in that case points elsewhere.  There is no common ancestry.

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(January 25, 2019 at 5:48 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(January 25, 2019 at 4:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: That is a belief but it is based on logic and reason as well as faith.

Buddy, if you had reason and evidence, you wouldn’t need faith, now would you?

Further, if faith is required, why have you spent 1,200 pages trying to convince us you’re right using ID theory? Wtf?!

Not just ID theory.  I am telling you the complex and functional information in DNA "proves" design.  This is what I mean when I say, stating the facts.  Not trying to be rude or piss you off with this post.  Just trying to explain where I am coming from.  I know it is a bit repetitive sometimes.

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(January 25, 2019 at 6:11 pm)Amarok Wrote: And it goes on and on

That's because there is more to discuss.

(January 25, 2019 at 7:13 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(January 25, 2019 at 4:25 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: No, it's not.  If it were, you could show it, but in 1k pages you haven't.  You've merely repeated the belief.  It's okay that it's your fact and logic free belief..it really is.  It's not okay to misrepresent it as something it isn't.

Jesus doesn't care much for a liar, or for those who preach a false gospel.

Yes, I have shown it (regarding DNA proving design).  I am no liar and i speak the truth.

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(January 25, 2019 at 4:40 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Facts don’t come from wish thinking masquerading as logic or reason.   It absofuckinglutely never comes from faith.   Facts are deduced from evidence.  You have produced no salient evidence, no sound deduction, as has been explained to you in meticulous detail many times.

Only idiot arrogance made possible by your disgusting religion caused you to come back again and again with the same shit, and narrowed your patgetic mind so much that you are unable to do anything else.

LOL...Oh come on, I'm not that messed up.

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(January 25, 2019 at 5:30 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Yes, as I said; only the categories of science that disagree with your world view, lol.  You don see anything wrong with that...?

I believe those are flawed and there is no strong evidence for either.  I really believe that and see nothing wrong with it.  I was a skeptic for a point in my life before I found out that there was information in DNA.  Skeptic in that I wondered if to hold a deist view point or a Christian view point.  Design was always pretty evident to me except for a short time as a child.  I had an atheistic friend who briefly convinced me there was no God when I was 8 years old.  I will never forget that.  My one week or so as an atheist at 8 years old...LOL.

You are that fucked up.

Your beliefs don’t matter.  No one cares what you believe.   You’ve show nothing valid whatsoever To sustain your beliefs.   You disrespect everyone by keep telling them about the same two bit doggerel of a worthless belief in the same exact worthless manner like a broken record, after they have all menifestly  heard you the first time, and have told you time and again there is zero interest in yet more repetition of the same worthless statement of the same worthless beliefs with yet again nothing substantive added or nothing substantive changed.

(January 25, 2019 at 7:27 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(January 25, 2019 at 7:13 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Yes, I have shown it (regarding DNA proving design).  I am no liar and i speak the truth.

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LOL...Oh come on, I'm not that messed up.

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I believe those are flawed and there is no strong evidence for either.  I really believe that and see nothing wrong with it.  I was a skeptic for a point in my life before I found out that there was information in DNA.  Skeptic in that I wondered if to hold a deist view point or a Christian view point.  Design was always pretty evident to me except for a short time as a child.  I had an atheistic friend who briefly convinced me there was no God when I was 8 years old.  I will never forget that.  My one week or so as an atheist at 8 years old...LOL.

You are that fucked up.

Your beliefs don’t matter.  No one cares what you believe.   You’ve show nothing valid whatsoever To sustain your beliefs.   You disrespect everyone by keep telling them about the same two bit doggerel of a worthless belief in the same exact worthless manner like a broken record, after they have all menifestly  heard you the first time, and have told you time and again there is zero interest in yet more repetition of the same worthless statement of the same worthless beliefs with yet again nothing substantive added or nothing substantive changed.

What are you complaining about now?

(January 25, 2019 at 7:13 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(January 25, 2019 at 4:25 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: No, it's not.  If it were, you could show it, but in 1k pages you haven't.  You've merely repeated the belief.  It's okay that it's your fact and logic free belief..it really is.  It's not okay to misrepresent it as something it isn't.

Jesus doesn't care much for a liar, or for those who preach a false gospel.

Yes, I have shown it (regarding DNA proving design).  I am no liar and i speak the truth.

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(January 25, 2019 at 4:40 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Facts don’t come from wish thinking masquerading as logic or reason.   It absofuckinglutely never comes from faith.   Facts are deduced from evidence.  You have produced no salient evidence, no sound deduction, as has been explained to you in meticulous detail many times.

Only idiot arrogance made possible by your disgusting religion caused you to come back again and again with the same shit, and narrowed your patgetic mind so much that you are unable to do anything else.

LOL...Oh come on, I'm not that messed up.

The only way...the only way to prove that something is designed, is to demonstrate the designer. You cannot do that. Your “case” isn’t even a case. Your argument is not an argument; it’s a non-starter. 1,200 pages and we’re still waiting for you to present a positive case for ID. That thread title, man...nothing but empty promises and disappointment.

(January 25, 2019 at 7:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(January 25, 2019 at 7:27 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: You are that fucked up.

Your beliefs don’t matter.  No one cares what you believe.   You’ve show nothing valid whatsoever To sustain your beliefs.   You disrespect everyone by keep telling them about the same two bit doggerel of a worthless belief in the same exact worthless manner like a broken record, after they have all menifestly  heard you the first time, and have told you time and again there is zero interest in yet more repetition of the same worthless statement of the same worthless beliefs with yet again nothing substantive added or nothing substantive changed.

What are you complaining about now?

You.

(January 25, 2019 at 7:47 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(January 25, 2019 at 7:13 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Yes, I have shown it (regarding DNA proving design).  I am no liar and i speak the truth.

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LOL...Oh come on, I'm not that messed up.

The only way...the only way to prove that something is designed, is to demonstrate the designer. You cannot do that. Your “case” isn’t even a case. Your argument is not an argument; it’s a non-starter. 1,200 pages and we’re still waiting for you to present a positive case for ID. That thread title, man...nothing but empty promises and disappointment.

That is not the only way to demonstrate a designer.  This is especially true for a designer who is measuring the hearts of His creatures as they live about their lives after being given clear instruction.  The designer who's intent was to leave his signature buried in the DNA of living systems and then state in the Bible that the life of the flesh is in the blood.   

I provided my case for the designer and it's bullet proof.  From their I turn to theology and find the truths included in the Holy Scriptures.

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(January 25, 2019 at 7:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(January 25, 2019 at 7:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote: What are you complaining about now?

You.

Why do you dislike me so much?  We simply disagree on this topic.  It's an emotional topic but damn, relax a bit, like me.  Have a cocktail, sit back, and enjoy the discussion.

(January 25, 2019 at 8:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(January 25, 2019 at 7:47 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: The only way...the only way to prove that something is designed, is to demonstrate the designer. You cannot do that. Your “case” isn’t even a case. Your argument is not an argument; it’s a non-starter. 1,200 pages and we’re still waiting for you to present a positive case for ID. That thread title, man...nothing but empty promises and disappointment.

That is not the only way to demonstrate a designer.  This is especially true for a designer who is measuring the hearts of His creatures as they live about their lives after being given clear instruction.  The designer who's intent was to leave his signature buried in the DNA of living systems and then state in the Bible that the life of the flesh is in the blood.   

I provided my case for the designer and it's bullet proof.  From their I turn to theology and find the truths included in the Holy Scriptures.

If there was a designer who intended to do any of that, then that designer failed. You're really grinding gods nuts into the ground on this one.

Obviously, that's up to you, you can continue to believe in a god that failed, and find that you have to continue to present yourself as an idiot to satisfy that demand..or you can start to wonder if maybe, just maybe..this might be your own misunderstanding.

Quick question on design.

I have a blank canvas on the ground.
I have several different size sponges dipped in various colors of paint that are in a bucket on top of my roof.

I am blindfolded on my roof and I'm going to reach into the bucket and randomly pick a sponge to drop off the roof, in hopes that one or more will hit the canvas.

Did I design the painting ?

That's my question.