(January 29, 2019 at 5:04 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(January 28, 2019 at 11:39 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: You have the internet.  Use it.  Or just refer to those links in this thread that you've already received?  The issue is in the public domain, and was widely followed and reported on.  

This culminated in a trial, the transcripts of which are available to you and have been referred to you previously in thread.

You...got conned...by charlatans.  They knew that their methodology was unscientific, they knew that their specific claims regarding complexity and design had been thoroughly falsified, and they knew that their claims were designed to specifically advance a particular notion of the judeochristian god.  All of this information was volunteered, by themselves, under oath, on record.  These are not facts in dispute about biology, gods, reality, or anything else.  They are facts about the mundane operation of a puerile scam, that you've swallowed....hook line and sinker.  

So go, and let wonder lead you to knowledge.  Maybe you'll find a way to waltz right out of the ID cult and back into the fold of christian belief..which is unaffected by the failure of ID and the falsification of it's god.

Believe what you want but I disagree.  I think that whole case was a big fiasco that should have never happened in the first place which I think Dr. Stephen C. Meyer also believes.  OEC Christians agree with ID.  So do YEC Christians to an extent.  Even Seventh Day Adventists (SDA) believe in the video in my signature (the section showing the molecular machinery in the cell).  I seen it on one of their Youtube videos before.

...........and? 

Are you telling me that you think that if ID were false then christianity would be false? 

If not, it's not a requirement of a christian faith.  That some of you allow yourself to be conned by self admitted charlatans is your own problem..not christianity's problem. 

If so, then christianity is false, QED.

Your call. 

(January 29, 2019 at 5:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: Believe what you want but I disagree.  I think that whole case was a big fiasco that should have never happened in the first place which I think Dr. Stephen C. Meyer also believes.  OEC Christians agree with ID.  So do YEC Christians to an extent.  Even Seventh Day Adventists (SDA) believe in the video in my signature (the section showing the molecular machinery in the cell).  I seen it on one of their Youtube videos before.

You "seen" it ? 
And you claim to have a college education ?
The truth will out. I think it just did.

Yeah it did..remember back when I suggested that our boy here actually knew that he was wrong and why, but that the peculiarities of his religious compulsion necessitated compartmentalization of those known facts?

Uh-huh. Got a liar for behe on our hands, disgracing christ with his every utterance. This one needs to go get some jesus in his life.

(January 29, 2019 at 8:29 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(January 29, 2019 at 6:47 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Oh FFSK CDF47!

You've been corrected, told how wrong you are and down right given links to infromation that detail why your statement is simply NOT the case.

But, fek it, lets have you humour me for a second.

Just a question, okay?

You say there is 'Information' within DNA.

Okay, right.

Please expand upon or indicate what and where this 'Information' is or might be.

All the best with that.

Read the OP and watch the 3 minute video in my signature (short video).

Read this paragraph. Your mindless repetition of this demonstrates a few things. You are so clueless you don't understand the video. You don't understand the concepts. You cant explain it in your own words and you can't spot the obvious deception and lies contained therein. Everyone else can, but not you.

This shows that you don't know what to do when others fail to follow your silly little script. You don't know how to handle or argue with those more highly educated and more intelligent than you. You don't know what to do when the glaring holes are pointed out to you over and over.

So you bleat "Look at this video" over and over because your are stuck. And besides, I have looked at it and it's utter garbage.

(January 29, 2019 at 8:29 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(January 29, 2019 at 7:45 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Well done. More lies and you know it. The simulation is simply a method to demonstrate the principle in a faster and more convenient way. It is unnecessary, the principle stands with or without the simulation. You already know this because you have been told so over and over again. And you keep on lying about it over and over again.

How about you step up for a change and at least try to learn something. Like that's going to happen.

I am learning from you guys.  Thank you for all the information.  I read nearly every post in here (aside from when Ev was doing battle 20 pages at a time) and I watched many of the videos and read many of the articles.  Much good information was provided and I appreciate that.  I can learn from that.  What I still hold to be true though is that because of the complex and functional information inside DNA there is a Designer.  So, much of the information provided shows how the design is implemented.  I agree with everything presented, just about, except for common ancestry and the multiverse (which I think most serious scientists know is a joke anyway).  There is still much debate over common ancestry.  You have to at least admit that.

More lies. You have learned nothing. You want to learn nothing. The multiverse is not a private scientific joke, far from it. There is no big debate about common ancestry. You learned nothing.

(January 29, 2019 at 8:41 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(January 29, 2019 at 8:29 am)CDF47 Wrote: Read the OP and watch the 3 minute video in my signature (short video).

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 The Youtube things that have also been referanced and debunked many times previously in this thread?

Really?

That's all you've got to cling too?

Nothing new? Nothing that you can actually explain?

Are you that derth of understanding of the very topic you're espousing that you can't even explain it?

Again you claim 'Design'.

Okay, 'Where' is it?

Where is there 'Design' that is not chemistry or physics?

The design is everywhere and the information is proof.

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(January 29, 2019 at 10:49 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(January 29, 2019 at 8:29 am)CDF47 Wrote:   There is still much debate over common ancestry.  You have to at least admit that.

No, there is not.  If your silly god "designed" anything..then common ancestry was a part of that process.

The only people who debate this, are ignorant creationists and the charlatans who con them.

Gae Bolga I am not your enemy.  I hear you.  There are charlatans in the church.  No doubt about it.  But, the Bible says to expect this.  To expect false teachers.

(January 29, 2019 at 4:45 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(January 29, 2019 at 8:41 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  The Youtube things that have also been referanced and debunked many times previously in this thread?

Really?

That's all you've got to cling too?

Nothing new? Nothing that you can actually explain?

Are you that derth of understanding of the very topic you're espousing that you can't even explain it?

Again you claim 'Design'.

Okay, 'Where' is it?

Where is there 'Design' that is not chemistry or physics?

The design is everywhere and the information is proof.

The design is nowhere and information is no proof.


You got anything else?

(January 29, 2019 at 2:18 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: It seems to me that in CDs mind anything complex must have been created by a being capable of designing complex things. But he has a problem. The complex thing designer is a complex thing, so by his own "logic" MUST have been designed by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer ………...and so on.

His is a failure of epic proportions.

Over a thousand pages of him being proved wrong.

At this point I think he's just trying to get the last word in.

Aren't we all trying to get the last word in?

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(January 29, 2019 at 2:27 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(January 29, 2019 at 5:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: Believe what you want but I disagree.  I think that whole case was a big fiasco that should have never happened in the first place which I think Dr. Stephen C. Meyer also believes.  OEC Christians agree with ID.  So do YEC Christians to an extent.  Even Seventh Day Adventists (SDA) believe in the video in my signature (the section showing the molecular machinery in the cell).  I seen it on one of their Youtube videos before.

...........and? 

Are you telling me that you think that if ID were false then christianity would be false? 

If not, it's not a requirement of a christian faith.  That some of you allow yourself to be conned by self admitted charlatans is your own problem..not christianity's problem. 

If so, then christianity is false, QED.

Your call. 

Information being designed and Christianity are both true.  Not sure about the ID movement as a whole but they are on to something.

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(January 29, 2019 at 4:28 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(January 29, 2019 at 5:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: Believe what you want but I disagree.  I think that whole case was a big fiasco that should have never happened in the first place which I think Dr. Stephen C. Meyer also believes.  OEC Christians agree with ID.  So do YEC Christians to an extent.  Even Seventh Day Adventists (SDA) believe in the video in my signature (the section showing the molecular machinery in the cell).  I seen it on one of their Youtube videos before.

You "seen" it ? 
And you claim to have a college education ?
The truth will out. I think it just did.

LOL..I am no longer an ME due to a typo, is that what you mean?

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(January 29, 2019 at 4:30 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Yeah it did..remember back when I suggested that our boy here actually knew that he was wrong and why, but that the peculiarities of his religious compulsion necessitated compartmentalization of those known facts?

Uh-huh.  Got a liar for behe on our hands, disgracing christ with his every utterance.  This one needs to go get some jesus in his life.

I have Jesus in my life.

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(January 29, 2019 at 4:32 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(January 29, 2019 at 8:29 am)CDF47 Wrote: Read the OP and watch the 3 minute video in my signature (short video).

Read this paragraph. Your mindless repetition of this demonstrates a few things. You are so clueless you don't understand the video. You don't understand the concepts. You cant explain it in your own words and you can't spot the obvious deception and lies contained therein. Everyone else can, but not you.

This shows that you don't know what to do when others fail to follow your silly little script. You don't know how to handle or argue with those more highly educated and more intelligent than you. You don't know what to do when the glaring holes are pointed out to you over and over.

So you bleat "Look at this video" over and over because your are stuck. And besides, I have looked at it and it's utter garbage.

(January 29, 2019 at 8:29 am)CDF47 Wrote: I am learning from you guys.  Thank you for all the information.  I read nearly every post in here (aside from when Ev was doing battle 20 pages at a time) and I watched many of the videos and read many of the articles.  Much good information was provided and I appreciate that.  I can learn from that.  What I still hold to be true though is that because of the complex and functional information inside DNA there is a Designer.  So, much of the information provided shows how the design is implemented.  I agree with everything presented, just about, except for common ancestry and the multiverse (which I think most serious scientists know is a joke anyway).  There is still much debate over common ancestry.  You have to at least admit that.

More lies. You have learned nothing. You want to learn nothing. The multiverse is not a private scientific joke, far from it. There is no big debate about common ancestry. You learned nothing.

I learned a lot in this thread.  No lies from me.  I do want to learn.  That's why I read nearly every post in here, aside from when Ev was in here for a bit.  The multiverse is a joke.  Common ancestry isn't even likely to be true.

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(January 29, 2019 at 4:47 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(January 29, 2019 at 4:45 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The design is everywhere and the information is proof.

The design is nowhere and information is no proof.


You got anything else?

You've heard my take.  I am just addressing questions now.

(January 29, 2019 at 4:45 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Gae Bolga I am not your enemy.  I hear you.  There are charlatans in the church.  No doubt about it.  But, the Bible says to expect this.  To expect false teachers.

No, CDF...I'm telling you that ID is a scam sold to you by charlatans.......and this much you already knew.  There's no point in pretending that you didn't.... anymore.  

That...makes you a charlatan.

Quote:I have Jesus in my life.

"Jesus" says he never knew people like you. I'm pretty sure that between you, he'd be the authority on the matter.

Quote:Common ancestry isn't even likely to be true.

Sure..sure..because paternity tests are uninformative and we don't get our genetic material from our parents. Get the fuck outta here with this trash, lol.

(January 29, 2019 at 4:48 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(January 29, 2019 at 2:18 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: It seems to me that in CDs mind anything complex must have been created by a being capable of designing complex things. But he has a problem. The complex thing designer is a complex thing, so by his own "logic" MUST have been designed by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer who must have been created by a greater designer ………...and so on.

His is a failure of epic proportions.

Over a thousand pages of him being proved wrong.

At this point I think he's just trying to get the last word in.

Aren't we all trying to get the last word in?

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(January 29, 2019 at 2:27 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: ...........and? 

Are you telling me that you think that if ID were false then christianity would be false? 

If not, it's not a requirement of a christian faith.  That some of you allow yourself to be conned by self admitted charlatans is your own problem..not christianity's problem. 

If so, then christianity is false, QED.

Your call. 

Information being designed and Christianity are both true.  Not sure about the ID movement as a whole but they are on to something.

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(January 29, 2019 at 4:28 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: You "seen" it ? 
And you claim to have a college education ?
The truth will out. I think it just did.

LOL..I am no longer an ME due to a typo, is that what you mean?

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(January 29, 2019 at 4:30 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Yeah it did..remember back when I suggested that our boy here actually knew that he was wrong and why, but that the peculiarities of his religious compulsion necessitated compartmentalization of those known facts?

Uh-huh.  Got a liar for behe on our hands, disgracing christ with his every utterance.  This one needs to go get some jesus in his life.

I have Jesus in my life.

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(January 29, 2019 at 4:32 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Read this paragraph. Your mindless repetition of this demonstrates a few things. You are so clueless you don't understand the video. You don't understand the concepts. You cant explain it in your own words and you can't spot the obvious deception and lies contained therein. Everyone else can, but not you.

This shows that you don't know what to do when others fail to follow your silly little script. You don't know how to handle or argue with those more highly educated and more intelligent than you. You don't know what to do when the glaring holes are pointed out to you over and over.

So you bleat "Look at this video" over and over because your are stuck. And besides, I have looked at it and it's utter garbage.
More lies. You have learned nothing. You want to learn nothing. The multiverse is not a private scientific joke, far from it. There is no big debate about common ancestry. You learned nothing.

I learned a lot in this thread.  No lies from me.  I do want to learn.  That's why I read nearly every post in here, aside from when Ev was in here for a bit.  The multiverse is a joke.  Common ancestry isn't even likely to be true.

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(January 29, 2019 at 4:47 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: The design is nowhere and information is no proof.


You got anything else?

You've heard my take.  I am just addressing questions now.

The question is Have you got anything else?  

You have just one claim and zero salient support.  This far into the thread one would think common decency should have stopped you from wasting yet more of your betters’ time with yer more repetitive of the exact same junk.  

Don’t tell me your faith has robbed you of that common decency too.

(January 29, 2019 at 4:45 pm)CDF47 Wrote: [quote pid='1880962' dateline='1548765706']
Again you claim 'Design'.

Okay, 'Where' is it?

Where is there 'Design' that is not chemistry or physics?

The design is everywhere and the information is proof.

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 That is an ASSERTION.

Can you give myself or others an EXPLANATION?