(February 1, 2019 at 1:12 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

(February 1, 2019 at 12:50 pm)CDF47 Wrote: God measures the heart.  He likes humble people.  He does not like arrogance or bullies.

Ouch ! CDF47.    


Gross way to completely mischaracterise what I posted/said.  

Also, you can't 'Educate' others if what your espousing is just wishful opinions.

God does enjoy the things you mentioned.  Not running with wolves but dying honorably He loves.  I was just listing some things He does not like.

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(February 1, 2019 at 1:25 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(February 1, 2019 at 12:58 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Hey Gae.  Could you ever be a deist at least?  Just curious. 

Sure.  I could be a deist, or a theist too...all it would take was for gods to exist.  Since they don't..I'm not.

Quote:Also, what if common ancestry proves not to be true.  It is a debated topic. 

It's not, really...that's just something you tell yourself so that you don't have to confront facts inconvenient to your beliefs....which aren't necessary beliefs for a christian to hold....but if common ancestry turned out to be inaccurate then we would be dealing with two or more independent instances of life having arisen in such incredibly similar ways as to be indistinguishable and reproductively compatible.  Obviously this would explain nothing not already explained by common ancestry and have absolutely no relevance to superstitious beliefs.  

Ultimately, if we ever find life on some other rock then we'll have an example of life having arisen independently multiple times and this isn't something that would really surprise me - but it won't change those facts of biology on this rock that make common descent the overwhelmingly more plausible scenario.  

Quote:Could you ever accept Christianity?  If so, what would it take.  Try to be serious on this one.  I am curious.

No.  I'm not interested in killing the better man to pay for my parking tickets, or spending eternity with any asshole who would.  That I'm not a christian has very little to do with my atheism, in the end.  I have a moral objection to your terrible religion...and that's -before- folks like you make it even more ridiculous than it already is/was.

How did I make it more ridiculous than it is in your opinion?

(February 2, 2019 at 3:44 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(February 1, 2019 at 1:12 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.


Ouch ! CDF47.    


Gross way to completely mischaracterise what I posted/said.  

Also, you can't 'Educate' others if what your espousing is just wishful opinions.

God does enjoy the things you mentioned.  Not running with wolves but dying honorably He loves.  I was just listing some things He does not like.

 Yeah... Then there's the whole 'Sheep' and 'Meek' and 'Subbmitting to authority' thing happening as well.
Y'know 'Submit to the authority figures in the Church.' 'Don't question things' that kind of stuff.
Heck, even within the Odinist pagan beliefs you can be and are accepted if you're 'Gotless'.
I... may have dedicated a hall or two in my youthful days...
So not as to disctract things too much.
Not that there's any evidence for such dietys, of course.
Not at work.

(February 1, 2019 at 1:45 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(January 31, 2019 at 2:23 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: So you then also accept his wife, (of the Holy Scriptures) ?

Quote:No wife.  Three masculine persons make up the Godhead.

Then you do not accept the Bible.
1. No JEW ever accepts that there is a trinity.
2. Do your masculine persons have dicks and testosterone ? LOL Gender evolved as a way to reproduce. Does your silly deity reproduce ? LOL
How can there be a male god without female gods ? https://www.seeker.com/gods-wife-edited-...83399.html
3. "Between the 10th century BC and the beginning of their exile in 586 BC, polytheism was normal throughout Israel; it was only after the exile that worship of Yahweh alone became established, and possibly only as late as the time of the Maccabees (2nd century BC) that monotheism became universal among the Jews. Some biblical scholars believe that Asherah at one time was worshipped as the consort of Yahweh, the national God of Israel.There are references to the worship of numerous gods throughout Kings: Solomon builds temples to many gods and Josiah is reported as cutting down the statues of Asherah in the temple Solomon built for Yahweh (2 Kings 23:14). Josiah's grandfather Manasseh had erected one such statue (2 Kings 21:7).

The Book of Jeremiah, written circa 628 BC, possibly refers to Asherah when it uses the title "Queen of Heaven"in Jeremiah 7:16-18 and Jeremiah 44:17-19, 25.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_h...(antiquity)
http://www.ancientpages.com/2017/04/12/a...l-mystery/
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1585374?seq...b_contents

2 Kings 21:7 New International Version (NIV)
7 He took the carved Asherah pole he had made and put it in the temple, of which the Lord had said to David and to his son Solomon, “In this temple and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, I will put my Name forever.

Too bad for you, he did have a wife, and it's a part of your scripture.

The Jews didn't recognize their Messiah when He came here. 

Below is information on the Bible verse you referenced.  

https://www.gotquestions.org/Queen-of-Heaven.html

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(February 1, 2019 at 2:17 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(February 1, 2019 at 12:58 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Hey Gae.  Could you ever be a deist at least?  Just curious.  Also, what if common ancestry proves not to be true.  It is a debated topic.  Could you ever accept Christianity?  If so, what would it take.  Try to be serious on this one.  I am curious.

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If it turned out common ancestry wasn't the answer. (by the way all the science shows it is, but I'll play) then we would be looking for some other mechanism. God is not the default answer. In fact god is so unlikely a thing itself thing that unless something major changes we can rule it out of being responsible for anything.

You've gained nothing from the information I provided.

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(February 1, 2019 at 7:58 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(February 1, 2019 at 12:58 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Hey Gae.  Could you ever be a deist at least?  Just curious.  Also, what if common ancestry proves not to be true.  It is a debated topic.  Could you ever accept Christianity?  If so, what would it take.  Try to be serious on this one.  I am curious.

EVIDENCE. You still have none. You will never have any, and even if you had such, I for one would have a problem with such an immoral thug.

(February 1, 2019 at 12:58 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No wife.  Three masculine persons make up the Godhead.

Your holy book says you are incorrect. The bible names your god's wife. You have no clue who that might be.

(February 1, 2019 at 12:58 pm)CDF47 Wrote: What do you mean by that?  Can you elaborate?

So you haven't read your holy book? Why is it that atheists have read your holy book and you have not?

(February 1, 2019 at 12:58 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Dr. Meyer was never a fan of the trial from my understanding.  I don't think he liked the idea to begin with of pushing this into public schools the way they went about it.  I think he has alternative plans for education on the subject.  

Cheers man!

Of course not. Meyer was not fond of getting spanked in court.

I believe I provided proof, not just evidence.

I read the entire Bible cover to cover.  I went to Catholic high school and had religion class for 4 years.  I made my Communion and Confirmation in the Catholic church (I am now more of a protestant though). For periods of my life I attended church every week.  I study the Bible and I belong to a Christian forum which I visit daily.  I understand my faith.

There is nothing wrong with Dr. Meyer.  I believe he disagreed with the case the entire time from my understanding.

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(February 2, 2019 at 3:56 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(February 2, 2019 at 3:44 am)CDF47 Wrote: God does enjoy the things you mentioned.  Not running with wolves but dying honorably He loves.  I was just listing some things He does not like.

 Yeah... Then there's the whole 'Sheep' and 'Meek' and 'Subbmitting to authority' thing happening as well.
Y'know 'Submit to the authority figures in the Church.' 'Don't question things' that kind of stuff.
Heck, even within the Odinist pagan beliefs you can be and are accepted if you're 'Gotless'.
I... may have dedicated a hall or two in my youthful days...
So not as to disctract things too much.
Not that there's any evidence for such dietys, of course.
Not at work.

On submission to authority, His point was that all governance are in place under the providence of God.  So submit to the power He has in place.  The wicked powers are in place due to the behaviors of the people.  If people acted right we would not have an authoritarian government like we have today spying on and harassing people to name a couple things.

(February 2, 2019 at 4:07 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(February 2, 2019 at 3:56 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  Yeah... Then there's the whole 'Sheep' and 'Meek' and 'Subbmitting to authority' thing happening as well.
Y'know 'Submit to the authority figures in the Church.' 'Don't question things' that kind of stuff.
Heck, even within the Odinist pagan beliefs you can be and are accepted if you're 'Gotless'.
I... may have dedicated a hall or two in my youthful days...
So not as to disctract things too much.
Not that there's any evidence for such dietys, of course.
Not at work.

On submission to authority, His point was that all governance are in place under the providence of God.  So submit to the power He has in place.  The wicked powers are in place due to the behaviors of the people.  If people acted right we would not have an authoritarian government like we have today spying on and harassing people to name a couple things.

 Yah... See that's the rather big sticking point.

One shuold respect authority... For as long as said authority is still doing the things for which it garners our respect. So, since respect has to be earned. Those of authority have to do things such that they deserve said repsect.

Just sitting back and claiming to have done everything is worth... well...nothing.

Again, as people have pointed out, under your view of reality your diety is directly responsivble for everything.

Good? Evil? Your diety supposedly made the lot. There is effectivly nothing humans can do againmst this seat of afairs.

It's all been set up long before we even came on the scene. We people now trying to get absovled for womething we did not do is simply wrong and sucks.

At least under the All Father, there's a big drive for people to own their own destiny etc. Plus a Pantheon has less problems with the whole notion of "Problem of evil" since some of the bad things that happen... happen for random reasons between diety's etc.

Not at work.

(February 2, 2019 at 5:16 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(February 2, 2019 at 4:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: On submission to authority, His point was that all governance are in place under the providence of God.  So submit to the power He has in place.  The wicked powers are in place due to the behaviors of the people.  If people acted right we would not have an authoritarian government like we have today spying on and harassing people to name a couple things.

 Yah... See that's the rather big sticking point.

One shuold respect authority... For as long as said authority is still doing the things for which it garners our respect. So, since respect has to be earned. Those of authority have to do things such that they deserve said repsect.

Just sitting back and claiming to have done everything is worth... well...nothing.

Again, as people have pointed out, under your view of reality your diety is directly responsivble for everything.

Good? Evil? Your diety supposedly made the lot. There is effectivly nothing humans can do againmst this seat of afairs.

It's all been set up long before we even came on the scene. We people now trying to get absovled for womething we did not do is simply wrong and sucks.

At least under the All Father, there's a big drive for people to own their own destiny etc. Plus a Pantheon has less problems with the whole notion of "Problem of evil" since some of the bad things that happen... happen for random reasons between diety's etc.

Not at work.

A pantheon of gods would be more likely than just the one. In the same way that you don't just get one ant.

(February 2, 2019 at 5:28 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: A pantheon of gods would be more likely than just the one. In the same way that you don't just get one ant.

*Nods*

It's like I heard in a conversation. "Well... you need 'Two' of anything to create 'something'."

Obviously aluding to the whole 'Breeding/Biology' side of things.

Which kind of sends my mind into a wired place with Christian ideas.

So the Christian diety simply 'Made' everything.
The Christian diety is generally portrayed as male.
So... what aspect of the Christian diety 'Ejected' our reality, as it were?

See, if the Christian diety were depicted as female. You'd at least have the whole 'Give birth to...' image to allude to.. But with a bloke? Yah, not so much.

Not at work.

(February 2, 2019 at 3:44 am)CDF47 Wrote: How did I make it more ridiculous than it is in your opinion?

Your cretinist beliefs. They're unnecessary, and wrong. I will never understand why christians insist that christianity be so stupid.

(February 2, 2019 at 4:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: I believe I provided proof, not just evidence.

Nope. You provided wild unevidenced claims and when challenged could do nothing except repeat the same claims over and over and over like a brainwashed automaton.

(February 2, 2019 at 4:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: I read the entire Bible cover to cover. 

OK then you advocate slavery.

(February 2, 2019 at 4:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: I went to Catholic high school and had religion class for 4 years.  I made my Communion and Confirmation in the Catholic church (I am now more of a protestant though). For periods of my life I attended church every week.  I study the Bible and I belong to a Christian forum which I visit daily. 

Yep. Brainwashed.

(February 2, 2019 at 4:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: I understand my faith.

No, you really don't. You just make crap up out of whole cloth on a whim of convenience with no reasoning behind it.

(February 2, 2019 at 4:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: There is nothing wrong with Dr. Meyer.  I believe he disagreed with the case the entire time from my understanding.

Yes there is. He substituted his brain with the superstitious muck that you like so much. It is so evil that it drives people to flat out lie just like you.

Quote:The Jews didn't recognize their Messiah when He came here. 
Below is information on the Bible verse you referenced.  
https://www.gotquestions.org/Queen-of-Heaven.html

He never got the job of a messiah done.
The link you posted is biased, ignorant and a lie.

(February 2, 2019 at 5:16 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(February 2, 2019 at 4:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: On submission to authority, His point was that all governance are in place under the providence of God.  So submit to the power He has in place.  The wicked powers are in place due to the behaviors of the people.  If people acted right we would not have an authoritarian government like we have today spying on and harassing people to name a couple things.

 Yah... See that's the rather big sticking point.

One shuold respect authority... For as long as said authority is still doing the things for which it garners our respect. So, since respect has to be earned. Those of authority have to do things such that they deserve said repsect.

Just sitting back and claiming to have done everything is worth... well...nothing.

Again, as people have pointed out, under your view of reality your diety is directly responsivble for everything.

Good? Evil? Your diety supposedly made the lot. There is effectivly nothing humans can do againmst this seat of afairs.

It's all been set up long before we even came on the scene. We people now trying to get absovled for womething we did not do is simply wrong and sucks.

At least under the All Father, there's a big drive for people to own their own destiny etc. Plus a Pantheon has less problems with the whole notion of "Problem of evil" since some of the bad things that happen... happen for random reasons between diety's etc.

Not at work.

I believe random things can still happen but in regards to governing nations, the Lord is in control.  In the Bible, when the Lord's people behave poorly they find themselves being led by unrighteous leaders.  This is what is happening around the world today, including in the US.  Just to clarify Peebo.

The Lord is in control, I agree.  The Lord can use evil but He Himself is not evil.  It is our fault we are in the situation we are in now.  The Constitution of the US is a great document to protect us from the ills of a poorly led governing nation but even that has it's limits when there are intelligence agencies and secret societies running rampant in the US, doing whatever they please to an extent.

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(February 2, 2019 at 5:28 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(February 2, 2019 at 5:16 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  Yah... See that's the rather big sticking point.

One shuold respect authority... For as long as said authority is still doing the things for which it garners our respect. So, since respect has to be earned. Those of authority have to do things such that they deserve said repsect.

Just sitting back and claiming to have done everything is worth... well...nothing.

Again, as people have pointed out, under your view of reality your diety is directly responsivble for everything.

Good? Evil? Your diety supposedly made the lot. There is effectivly nothing humans can do againmst this seat of afairs.

It's all been set up long before we even came on the scene. We people now trying to get absovled for womething we did not do is simply wrong and sucks.

At least under the All Father, there's a big drive for people to own their own destiny etc. Plus a Pantheon has less problems with the whole notion of "Problem of evil" since some of the bad things that happen... happen for random reasons between diety's etc.

Not at work.

A pantheon of gods would be more likely than just the one. In the same way that you don't just get one ant.

Reality is there is one triune God.

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(February 2, 2019 at 7:18 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(February 2, 2019 at 3:44 am)CDF47 Wrote: How did I make it more ridiculous than it is in your opinion?

Your cretinist beliefs.  They're unnecessary, and wrong.  I will never understand why christians insist that christianity be so stupid.

I guess we will just have to disagree on that point.  I think it is important to look at the science behind things as well as the Bible.  The Bible comes first of course.

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(February 2, 2019 at 8:40 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(February 2, 2019 at 4:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: I believe I provided proof, not just evidence.

Nope. You provided wild unevidenced claims and when challenged could do nothing except repeat the same claims over and over and over like a brainwashed automaton.

(February 2, 2019 at 4:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: I read the entire Bible cover to cover. 

OK then you advocate slavery.

(February 2, 2019 at 4:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: I went to Catholic high school and had religion class for 4 years.  I made my Communion and Confirmation in the Catholic church (I am now more of a protestant though). For periods of my life I attended church every week.  I study the Bible and I belong to a Christian forum which I visit daily. 

Yep. Brainwashed.

(February 2, 2019 at 4:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: I understand my faith.

No, you really don't. You just make crap up out of whole cloth on a whim of convenience with no reasoning behind it.

(February 2, 2019 at 4:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: There is nothing wrong with Dr. Meyer.  I believe he disagreed with the case the entire time from my understanding.

Yes there is. He substituted his brain with the superstitious muck that you like so much. It is so evil that it drives people to flat out lie just like you.

I try really hard to be an honest person so that is not true what you say about me.  I am not brainwashed either.  I do not advocate slavery.  I know the Lord allowed slavery and had rules for it but it existed in those times and He just added regulation to it.  It was to be led by righteous leaders that would take care of their slaves, not abuse them.  So I am against slavery.

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(February 2, 2019 at 9:37 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:The Jews didn't recognize their Messiah when He came here. 
Below is information on the Bible verse you referenced.  
https://www.gotquestions.org/Queen-of-Heaven.html

He never got the job of a messiah done.
The link you posted is biased, ignorant and a lie.

He conquered sin when He was here for man.  He atoned for sin.  He definitely got the job done when He was here.  His message is followed by church members the world over still today.