(February 23, 2019 at 5:58 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(February 23, 2019 at 11:48 am)CDF47 Wrote: It probably adds more complexity, specificity, and functionality.

Yes. Which means we are better as humans than your crackpot deity of choice. You really have no clue how that fact destroys your god-bothery because you do not understand how lame your claims actually are.

I could mathematically type out why that demonstrates your deity of choice to be far inferior, but given that 1 + 1 entirely flummoxes you, that would be an entirely wasted effort, no? And why would I waste that effort on an idiot?

You posted that, "It probably adds more complexity, specificity, and functionality."

Sure, and we did that no god required. You are simply going to knee jerk just like you did for contraception. That was declared anathema by your ilk despite your protestations back in the day. So was the abuse hurled upon victims of rape. You can try to paint it however you like, but no matter what you do, tou are promoting and supporting it.

You cannot get any moral pass.

It's endemic. The catholics do it, the evangelic, the scientologists, the ...well you pervs have only one agenda. Hide the perv while perpetuating the perv. And you are not a little miffed when people point this out.

Well tough. I will point out the pervs as will many.

What you are attempting to do is apologies for whatever is your particular flavour of crackpottery as though none of your leading lights favours victimisation of kids. You are trying to paper over the cracks.

You do as a christian, just like islam, just like any crank belief.

Attack my arguments rather than attacking me.

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(February 23, 2019 at 6:40 pm)no one Wrote: This designer must have flunked out of design school. Earth is like that island of misfit toys.

It's man's fault we are misfits.  We rebelled against God and we sin.

(February 23, 2019 at 10:16 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It's man's fault we are misfits.  We rebelled against God and we sin.

So when did he change the DNA then from when it was perfect to what we have now ?

(February 23, 2019 at 10:16 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(February 23, 2019 at 5:58 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Yes. Which means we are better as humans than your crackpot deity of choice. You really have no clue how that fact destroys your god-bothery because you do not understand how lame your claims actually are.

I could mathematically type out why that demonstrates your deity of choice to be far inferior, but given that 1 + 1 entirely flummoxes you, that would be an entirely wasted effort, no? And why would I waste that effort on an idiot?

You posted that, "It probably adds more complexity, specificity, and functionality."

Sure, and we did that no god required. You are simply going to knee jerk just like you did for contraception. That was declared anathema by your ilk despite your protestations back in the day. So was the abuse hurled upon victims of rape. You can try to paint it however you like, but no matter what you do, tou are promoting and supporting it.

You cannot get any moral pass.

It's endemic. The catholics do it, the evangelic, the scientologists, the ...well you pervs have only one agenda. Hide the perv while perpetuating the perv. And you are not a little miffed when people point this out.

Well tough. I will point out the pervs as will many.

What you are attempting to do is apologies for whatever is your particular flavour of crackpottery as though none of your leading lights favours victimisation of kids. You are trying to paper over the cracks.

You do as a christian, just like islam, just like any crank belief.

Attack my arguments rather than attacking me.

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(February 23, 2019 at 6:40 pm)no one Wrote: This designer must have flunked out of design school. Earth is like that island of misfit toys.

"It's man's fault we are misfits.  We rebelled against God and we sin."

WHY do you insist on arguing "god did it" with atheists?

 First point of the argument is for you to prove your claim that god exists.

Until you have met that obligation, there is no common ground for discussion.

CD - your genome is filled with DNA from viruses.
If you removed all of that DNA that isn't "human", what do you think humans would look like ?
Would we be able to survive ?
We most certainly couldn't have children.

The DNA from your mythical Adam & Eve story book fantasy wouldn't be able to have children.

This video explains why.

(February 23, 2019 at 6:37 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(February 23, 2019 at 4:30 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: “If you buy a Hebrew slave, six years shall he serve: and in the seventh year he shall go free without payment. If he came alone, he shall go out alone; if he is husband of a wife, then the wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife, and she bears him sons or daughters. The wife and her children shall belong to the master, and he shall go out alone. But if the slave says plainly: ‘I love my master, my wife and my children; I shall not go out as a free man,’ then his master will bring him before God, then he shall bring him to the door or doorpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl, and he shall serve him permanently.” (Exodus 21:2-6)(NASB)

“As for your male or female slaves whom you may have—you may acquire male or female slaves from the pagan nations around you. Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of the families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession. You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves. But in respect to your countrymen, the sons of Israel, you shall not rule with severity over one another.” (Leviticus 25: 44-46)(NASB)

“Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything, not only while being watched and in order to please them, but wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord. Whatever your task, put yourselves into it, as done for the Lord and not for your masters, since you know that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward; you serve the Lord Christ. For the wrongdoer will be paid back for whatever wrong has been done, and there is no partiality. (Colossians 3:22-25)

“Masters, treat your slaves justly and fairly, for you know that you also have a Master in heaven.” (Colossians 4:1)

“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ; not only while being watched, and in order to please them, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. Render service with enthusiasm, as to the Lord and not to men and women, 8knowing that whatever good we do, we will receive the same again from the Lord, whether we are slaves or free. And, masters, do the same to them. Stop threatening them, for you know that both of you have the same Master in heaven, and with him there is no partiality.” (Ephesians 6:5-9)

“Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be blasphemed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful to them on the ground that they are members of the church; rather they must serve them all the more, since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties.” (Timothy 6:1-2)

“Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back, not to pilfer, but to show complete and perfect fidelity, so that in everything they may be an ornament to the doctrine of God our Savior.” (Titus 2:9-10)

“Slaves, accept the authority of your masters with all deference, not only those who are kind and gentle but also those who are harsh.” (Peter 2:18)

So, you are in complete agreement that slavery, as sanctioned in the Bible, is a noble and moral enterprise?

In those times the regulations he added were fine.  Masters were to treat their slaves well.

No. Your god could have simply stated "Thou shalt not own others as property" as a commandment. After all, he cared enough to issue a fatwa against shellfish. 

The god you believe in is such a mess that he made a rule against shellfish, but not against slavery. No, while shellfish were outright banned, slavery was somehow acceptable to the point that your god handed down rules for how to do it.

Explain to me how your god handing down a rule that says that one can beat one's slave so much that it's ok so long as they don't die for 3 days post beating? How is this treating your slaves well? It is flat out immoral and wrong. You know this.

Nevertheless, somehow, you subvert your own morality to support an immoral fiction. And promptly claim not to be brainwashed.

The options are few. Either you are brainwashed, too stupid to work it out or (and this is the icky option) you like it. Put those brown folks in their place, why not?

Your god has never said "thou shalt not own slaves" or anything of that ilk. Why has he never rescinded that BS? According to you, your god was simply dealing with the reality on the ground as it were. Somehow, your god is so scared and frightened that he/she/it/housecat cannot bring itself to outright ban slavery. It has to REGULATE slavery because it is too weak to ban it.

In fact, your god is so weak and innefectual that we all have rescinded slavery decades ago, but your god never has. Thus, when you object to bible slavery, you are simply telling all and sundry that your morality is superior to your gods. Despite the fact that some will accuse you of blasphemy for such a step, it is a step in the right direction. Just a tiny one.

Now, I again ask. Is there any time place or circumstance under which it is moral to own people as property? Are you able to answer that question? No you are not

(February 23, 2019 at 12:45 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(February 23, 2019 at 12:16 pm)pocaracas Wrote: No, you didn't.
You couldn't. You were brainwashed far before that!

Just because my mother read me the Bible at probably the age of 2 on up does not mean I am brainwashed.  My parents also taught me math, reading, and writing prior to kindergarten.  Does that mean they were brainwashing me?  No.  Again, I took a critical look at my faith many times so I am not brainwashed.  Based on all the evidence before me, I believe Christianity is the one and only true faith.

Funny how people in other religions feel the same way about themselves. But of course, in your eyes, it's they who are brainwashed. This amazing feat of blindness to the double standard is only possible for you because you are a rank idiot.

CDFster:
It's man's fault we are misfits.  We rebelled against God and we sin.

Is that a fact? You are aware that man is not the only form of life on this planet, aren't you?

(February 24, 2019 at 8:42 pm)no one Wrote: CDFster:
It's man's fault we are misfits.  We rebelled against God and we sin.

Is that a fact? You are aware that man is not the only form of life on this planet, aren't you?

Sure, but CDF regards those as mere slaves to his will. CDF is a dominionist pure and simple.

(February 24, 2019 at 8:00 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(February 23, 2019 at 12:45 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Just because my mother read me the Bible at probably the age of 2 on up does not mean I am brainwashed.  My parents also taught me math, reading, and writing prior to kindergarten.  Does that mean they were brainwashing me?  No.  Again, I took a critical look at my faith many times so I am not brainwashed.  Based on all the evidence before me, I believe Christianity is the one and only true faith.

Funny how people in other religions feel the same way about themselves.  But of course, in your eyes, it's they who are brainwashed.  This amazing feat of blindness to the double standard is only possible for you because you are a rank idiot.

There is a fine line  between brainwashing and socialisation.

Religion is an accident of birth for most people. Those beliefs, along with our values and general world view, are absorbed, uncritically, when we are very young, and exceedingly gullible.We simply accept whatever we are taught as we lack the mental acuity to question much before our teen years..  Those values/ beliefs/ world views so acquired may certainly be compared with brainwashing . 

 I rarely come across anyone who has ever critically examined their basic beliefs and world view. The atheists here seem to be atypical. The Christians, stereotypical .

"The unexamined life is not worth living" (Socrates)

(February 23, 2019 at 12:16 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(February 23, 2019 at 11:43 am)CDF47 Wrote: I was not brainwashed. I took a critical and logical look at my faith for many years.

No, you didn't.
You couldn't. You were brainwashed far before that!

No I wasn't

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(February 23, 2019 at 10:33 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(February 23, 2019 at 10:16 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It's man's fault we are misfits.  We rebelled against God and we sin.

So when did he change the DNA then from when it was perfect to what we have now ?

When man fell.

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(February 23, 2019 at 11:28 pm)fredd bear Wrote:

(February 23, 2019 at 10:16 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Attack my arguments rather than attacking me.

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"It's man's fault we are misfits.  We rebelled against God and we sin."

WHY do you insist on arguing "god did it" with atheists?

 First point of the argument is for you to prove your claim that god exists.

Until you have met that obligation, there is no common ground for discussion.

Information proves it.

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(February 24, 2019 at 2:13 am)Rahn127 Wrote: CD - your genome is filled with DNA from viruses.
If you removed all of that DNA that isn't "human", what do you think humans would look like ?
Would we be able to survive ?
We most certainly couldn't have children.

The DNA from your mythical Adam & Eve story book fantasy wouldn't be able to have children.

This video explains why.

They are not a myth

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(February 24, 2019 at 2:19 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(February 23, 2019 at 6:37 pm)CDF47 Wrote: In those times the regulations he added were fine.  Masters were to treat their slaves well.

No. Your god could have simply stated "Thou shalt not own others as property" as a commandment. After all, he cared enough to issue a fatwa against shellfish. 

The god you believe in is such a mess that he made a rule against shellfish, but not against slavery. No, while shellfish were outright banned, slavery was somehow acceptable to the point that your god handed down rules for how to do it.

Explain to me how your god handing down a rule that says that one can beat one's slave so much that it's ok so long as they don't die for 3 days post beating? How is this treating your slaves well? It is flat out immoral and wrong. You know this.

Nevertheless, somehow, you subvert your own morality to support an immoral fiction. And promptly claim not to be brainwashed.

The options are few. Either you are brainwashed, too stupid to work it out or (and this is the icky option) you like it. Put those brown folks in their place, why not?

Your god has never said "thou shalt not own slaves" or anything of that ilk. Why has he never rescinded that BS? According to you, your god was simply dealing with the reality on the ground as it were. Somehow, your god is so scared and frightened that he/she/it/housecat cannot bring itself to outright ban slavery. It has to REGULATE slavery because it is too weak to ban it.

In fact, your god is so weak and innefectual that we all have rescinded slavery decades ago, but your god never has. Thus, when you object to bible slavery, you are simply telling all and sundry that your morality is superior to your gods. Despite the fact that some will accuse you of blasphemy for such a step, it is a step in the right direction. Just a tiny one.

Now, I again ask. Is there any time place or circumstance under which it is moral to own people as property? Are you able to answer that question? No you are not

There is human slavery around the world today. The Lord had it regulated. It is even rumored that the CIA is involved with human trafficking.

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(February 24, 2019 at 2:19 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(February 23, 2019 at 6:37 pm)CDF47 Wrote: In those times the regulations he added were fine.  Masters were to treat their slaves well.

No. Your god could have simply stated "Thou shalt not own others as property" as a commandment. After all, he cared enough to issue a fatwa against shellfish. 

The god you believe in is such a mess that he made a rule against shellfish, but not against slavery. No, while shellfish were outright banned, slavery was somehow acceptable to the point that your god handed down rules for how to do it.

Explain to me how your god handing down a rule that says that one can beat one's slave so much that it's ok so long as they don't die for 3 days post beating? How is this treating your slaves well? It is flat out immoral and wrong. You know this.

Nevertheless, somehow, you subvert your own morality to support an immoral fiction. And promptly claim not to be brainwashed.

The options are few. Either you are brainwashed, too stupid to work it out or (and this is the icky option) you like it. Put those brown folks in their place, why not?

Your god has never said "thou shalt not own slaves" or anything of that ilk. Why has he never rescinded that BS? According to you, your god was simply dealing with the reality on the ground as it were. Somehow, your god is so scared and frightened that he/she/it/housecat cannot bring itself to outright ban slavery. It has to REGULATE slavery because it is too weak to ban it.

In fact, your god is so weak and innefectual that we all have rescinded slavery decades ago, but your god never has. Thus, when you object to bible slavery, you are simply telling all and sundry that your morality is superior to your gods. Despite the fact that some will accuse you of blasphemy for such a step, it is a step in the right direction. Just a tiny one.

Now, I again ask. Is there any time place or circumstance under which it is moral to own people as property? Are you able to answer that question? No you are not

According to God yes following His regulations back in ancient times.

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(February 24, 2019 at 8:00 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(February 23, 2019 at 12:45 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Just because my mother read me the Bible at probably the age of 2 on up does not mean I am brainwashed.  My parents also taught me math, reading, and writing prior to kindergarten.  Does that mean they were brainwashing me?  No.  Again, I took a critical look at my faith many times so I am not brainwashed.  Based on all the evidence before me, I believe Christianity is the one and only true faith.

Funny how people in other religions feel the same way about themselves. But of course, in your eyes, it's they who are brainwashed. This amazing feat of blindness to the double standard is only possible for you because you are a rank idiot.

No, I am not.

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(February 24, 2019 at 8:42 pm)no one Wrote: CDFster:
It's man's fault we are misfits.  We rebelled against God and we sin.

Is that a fact? You are aware that man is not the only form of life on this planet, aren't you?

Yes, I'm aware.

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(February 24, 2019 at 9:43 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(February 24, 2019 at 8:42 pm)no one Wrote: CDFster:
It's man's fault we are misfits.  We rebelled against God and we sin.

Is that a fact? You are aware that man is not the only form of life on this planet, aren't you?

Sure, but CDF regards those as mere slaves to his will. CDF is a dominionist pure and simple.

False accusations. No, I am not.

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(February 25, 2019 at 12:35 am)fredd bear Wrote:

(February 24, 2019 at 8:00 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Funny how people in other religions feel the same way about themselves.  But of course, in your eyes, it's they who are brainwashed.  This amazing feat of blindness to the double standard is only possible for you because you are a rank idiot.

There is a fine line  between brainwashing and socialisation.

Religion is an accident of birth for most people. Those beliefs, along with our values and general world view, are absorbed, uncritically, when we are very young, and exceedingly gullible.We simply accept whatever we are taught as we lack the mental acuity to question much before our teen years..  Those values/ beliefs/ world views so acquired may certainly be compared with brainwashing . 

 I rarely come across anyone who has ever critically examined their basic beliefs and world view. The atheists here seem to be atypical. The Christians, stereotypical .

"The unexamined life is not worth living" (Socrates)

But the science points clearly toward design???