(February 28, 2019 at 10:51 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I've read Asterix since I was 6.

The characters are better written, the story more compelling, and it has historical context.

Overall, a better book series.

 Didn't read a lot of Asterix, but loved the film with Gerard Depardieu as Asterix.

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(February 27, 2019 at 8:13 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Liar

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Adam didn't die that day.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

God was indeed afraid that Adam would become his equal. And who the fuck is "us"?
Liar. Your magic book specifically states he is not. 

Liar. You cannot know that at all. And it is a false claim. And it demonstrates the towering pride and arrogance of believers like you.

Adam died as promised due to eating the apple.  

Two lies. Adam did not die that day as god promised, and it wasn't an apple.

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote: They are not like God, as God is all powerful.  They gained the knowledge of good and evil though.  

Correct. They didn't get to eat from the second tree because god fucked them out of the garden before they got the opportunity to do so. God was scared enough to take action "lest they become like us". So what was god afraid of? Why not let Adam and Eve become like one of "them"? That is his stated goal.

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The us, is the Trinity or Godhead of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Nope. Those hadn't been made up yet and anyway are still just one god. Unless you are denying trinity doctrine and claiming they are distinct individuals and not one at all. (that's the Arian Heresy)

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(February 28, 2019 at 9:19 am)Nomad Wrote: The "us" is all the other gods in the Canaanite pantheon.  Remember the jews were polytheistic until after the returm from Babylon.

The "us" is the Godhead.

Is it? No. The holy Rapist and the bastard son had not been made up at that point.

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(February 28, 2019 at 12:08 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Actually you ARE still under the law.
Paul told women to shut the fuck up in church as required by the law.
Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law, and it remained in place until "all things are accomplished".

You should read the Bible more.

I read it.  We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.  We keep the commandments because we love God.

Not according to the bible, you're not. And which commandments? Which ones do you accept? Which ones do you reject? Why? Why did jesus only endorse 5 and add another random 2 that don't appear in the OT but do appear in other traditions?

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(February 28, 2019 at 6:50 pm)Nomad Wrote: Yeah, my bad using a modern terminology for an ancient grouping.  Although back then they weren't yet Hebrew, they were still a subset of the Canaanite grouping (with only their weird aversion to eating pig setting them apart).

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Of course he didn't. What Mr Inquisition the Liar knows about the bible could be written on the nucleus of a Hydrogen atom, in 72 point bold font.

Please.  I've studied the Bible since I was a child.

And failed to move beyond a childish understanding of it, apparently.

(February 28, 2019 at 11:28 pm)fredd bear Wrote:

(February 28, 2019 at 10:51 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I've read Asterix since I was 6.

The characters are better written, the story more compelling, and it has historical context.

Overall, a better book series.

 Didn't read a lot of Asterix, but loved the film with Gerard Depardieu as Asterix.

He played Obelix.

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

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(February 28, 2019 at 8:17 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.” (Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason)

“The book of Job is one of the most powerful arguments against God in the atheist arsenal. It proves once and for all that YHWH is not a good god. Even if such a god exists, we surely cannot rely on him to define our morals, to tell us what is good or bad. If holiness is what gods do, then holiness is a terrible thing.” (Victor J. Stenger)

“I know of no book which has been a source of brutality and sadistic conduct, both public and private, than can compare with the Bible.” (Reginald Paget)

“The Bible has not civilized mankind. A book that establishes and defends slavery and wanton war is not calculated to soften the hearts of those who believe implicitly that it is the work of God. A book that not only permits, but commands, religious persecution, has not, in my judgment, developed the affectional nature of man. Its influence has been bad and bad only. It has filled the world with bitterness, revenge and crime, and retarded in countless ways the progress of our race.” (Robert G. Ingersoll)

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." (Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion)

A bunch of bad quotes proves nothing.

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Except that they're all good quotes from scholarly individuals you can't even hold a candle to. There is nothing in those quotes that any individual can't confirm simply by reading the Bible---and I think you know it. Denial on your part does not constitute a counterargument.

(February 28, 2019 at 10:51 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I've read Asterix since I was 6.

The characters are better written, the story more compelling, and it has historical context.

Overall, a better book series.

In French it's even better.

(February 28, 2019 at 10:51 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I've read Asterix since I was 6.

The characters are better written, the story more compelling, and it has historical context.

Overall, a better book series.

I agree. 

(February 28, 2019 at 10:42 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It's still about DNA.  There are religious implications to the proof I provided so the discussion took that turn a long time ago.  We have discussed many things in this thread.

There's no proof for there to be implications to, nutbar.  You think that a god made mud people.  Why we even have dna instead of mud is a mystery, and you don't have time for any god that's an ounce smarter than you are about all of this.

The Bible and scientists both agree we come from dust.  Even the iron in our blood was once in the core of a star that exploded in a super nova.  So, yes, we are mud people.

(March 1, 2019 at 9:39 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(February 28, 2019 at 10:42 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: There's no proof for there to be implications to, nutbar.  You think that a god made mud people.  Why we even have dna instead of mud is a mystery, and you don't have time for any god that's an ounce smarter than you are about all of this.

The Bible and scientists both agree we come from dust.  Even the iron in our blood was once in the core of a star that exploded in a super nova.  So, yes, we are mud people.

*Face palm*

As has already been stated and presented as an example.

If we had come from 'Dust' we'd be silicon based life forms. Since that's the majority of what the planet is actually comprised of.

We, however, are carbon based life forms.

Please... show us a puddle of graphite.

That the iron in our blood (And the rust that forms on our cars) was made in nuclear fusion furnaces is a seperate point.

The two do not go together to bolster one another.

Not at work.

(February 28, 2019 at 10:51 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I've read Asterix since I was 6.

The characters are better written, the story more compelling, and it has historical context.

Overall, a better book series.

Not quite the inspired Word of God but cool you are a fan of that book.

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(March 1, 2019 at 12:08 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Adam died as promised due to eating the apple.  

Two lies. Adam did not die that day as god promised, and it wasn't an apple.

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote: They are not like God, as God is all powerful.  They gained the knowledge of good and evil though.  

Correct. They didn't get to eat from the second tree because god fucked them out of the garden before they got the opportunity to do so. God was scared enough to take action "lest they become like us". So what was god afraid of? Why not let Adam and Eve become like one of "them"? That is his stated goal.

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The us, is the Trinity or Godhead of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Nope. Those hadn't been made up yet and anyway are still just one god. Unless you are denying trinity doctrine and claiming they are distinct individuals and not one at all. (that's the Arian Heresy)

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The "us" is the Godhead.

Is it? No. The holy Rapist and the bastard son had not been made up at that point.

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I read it.  We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.  We keep the commandments because we love God.

Not according to the bible, you're not. And which commandments? Which ones do you accept? Which ones do you reject? Why? Why did jesus only endorse 5 and add another random 2 that don't appear in the OT but do appear in other traditions?

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Please.  I've studied the Bible since I was a child.

And failed to move beyond a childish understanding of it, apparently.

Adam died as promised.  Yes, it was an apple.  They ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

God was not scared.  They simply gained the knowledge of good and evil which God already had.  They could not be all powerful like He is.

I believe in the Trinity/Godhead.  The "us" in the OT is referring to the reality of the Trinity many did not know or understand at the time.  It was always reality though.

Love God and neighbor are His commandments.  That is what all the other commandments are based on!

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(March 1, 2019 at 9:44 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

Not quite, Jo.

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(March 1, 2019 at 10:28 am)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(February 28, 2019 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

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A bunch of bad quotes proves nothing.

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Except that they're all good quotes from scholarly individuals you can't even hold a candle to. There is nothing in those quotes that any individual can't confirm simply by reading the Bible---and I think you know it. Denial on your part does not constitute a counterargument.

Their quotes are BS. The Bible is the inspired Word of God.  That is what I know.

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(March 1, 2019 at 9:49 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(March 1, 2019 at 9:39 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The Bible and scientists both agree we come from dust.  Even the iron in our blood was once in the core of a star that exploded in a super nova.  So, yes, we are mud people.

*Face palm*

As has already been stated and presented as an example.

If we had come from 'Dust' we'd be silicon based life forms. Since that's the majority of what the planet is actually comprised of.

We, however, are carbon based life forms.

Please... show us a puddle of graphite.

That the iron in our blood (And the rust that forms on our cars) was made in nuclear fusion furnaces is a seperate point.

The two do not go together to bolster one another.

Not at work.

We did come from star dust that exploded as part of a super nova a very long time ago.  This is the dust the Lord used to create us.