(March 5, 2019 at 5:03 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 5, 2019 at 1:01 pm)Drich Wrote: what you just did here.

bring you ll to a point where you feel nothing/one of your arguments work, and you look to simply silence through negotiation, or try and catch me breaking a rule. because I have become more than someone you can easily dismiss. That some of what I makes sense and it makes you uncomfortable. To the point where you have to make a choice. Openly deny God DESPITE THE GROWING EVIDENCE or follow me and see where the truth leads.

Not as a point of malice but out of a spirit of love and genuine concern for all of you despite crossing our light sabers from time to time/day to day.

In my very first post in my very first thread I outline why I am here.

I was shown hell and got to experience a bit of it and what haunted me the most was the not knowing if I had known better, had I known the truth of God,  would I had done things differently? If someone pushed past my walls with the truth would I be in hell? That was what was going to destroy me not hell fire. I honestly do not want anyone I know to experience that like them or not.

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Evidence?  What evidence?  Just list your best piece of "evidence" and we'll go from there.

I offer you the same type of evidence used in courts of law around the world through the history of man even to this day. Personal eyewitness testimony. If eye witness testimony can have a man's life taken from him or it can set a man free this standard should be well more than what you need (unless you have been conditioned/indoctrinated) to put enough trust and faith in God for him to be introduced into your own life where God will personally given you all the attention you will ever need to start and maintain your own system of belief.

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(March 6, 2019 at 8:32 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(March 5, 2019 at 1:01 pm)Drich Wrote:

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actually i attend a church across the street from one of the places I work. And again Harvest bible chapel teaches the same common core I do. Small church but growing

...and?  You wanna argue against yet another story you've told us and call yourself a liar, be my guest.  You've made it perfectly clear that you are incapable of honesty of any kind.  You can't even manage self-honesty, lol.

Aimlessly wandering from one self-own to the next babbling about flawless victories.

what are you talking about?

I goto church across the street from my deland business. it is where I work 3 days a week I also have another business in Sanford Fl where I work 3 days a week.. If you are in the area I will gladly give you a tour of both facilities introduce you to all my employees, where I and my wife are sole owners. One is a commercial truck van up fit shop/factory and the other is a retail car lot. (had to get car dealers license inorder to sell refrigerated trucks, once trump hit office we could afford to tap the used car market as that market peeks in the slow time for the refrigerated van business.) 

The church we goto is a church of Christ, across the deland lot on 15a I'm sure you can look that up, however again harvest bible chapel out of chicago under James Mcdonald teaches the same common core as I do. they do have a church in central florida but it is over an hour away. When we lived in orlando we did attend that church.

Show me the lie you think you see and it can easily be resolved. either by a visit or even a face tme video chat.

(March 6, 2019 at 8:32 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(March 5, 2019 at 1:01 pm)Drich Wrote:

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actually i attend a church across the street from one of the places I work. And again Harvest bible chapel teaches the same common core I do. Small church but growing

...and?  You wanna argue against yet another story you've told us and call yourself a liar, be my guest.  You've made it perfectly clear that you are incapable of honesty of any kind.  You can't even manage self-honesty, lol.

Aimlessly wandering from one self-own to the next babbling about flawless victories.

you have made nothing clear despite repeated attempts to try and find out specifically what it is I am supposed lying about and how it is you come tot his conclusion. You have done nothing but repeat the charge despite me asking you over and over for an example.

So i ask you again for proof or a citation of my being not truthful, and again what made you come to this conclusion.
Again I ask you provide me with some thing tangible beside an accusation as I to my knowledge have lied about nothing.

what no proof? no citation? nothing that shows I've lied once? what does that make you for hounding me for lying you can not cite one example of?

(March 6, 2019 at 10:07 am)Drich Wrote:

(March 5, 2019 at 5:03 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Evidence?  What evidence?  Just list your best piece of "evidence" and we'll go from there.

I offer you the same type of evidence used in courts of law around the world through the history of man even to this day. Personal eyewitness testimony. If eye witness testimony can have a man's life taken from him or it can set a man free this standard should be well more than what you need (unless you have been conditioned/indoctrinated) to put enough trust and faith in God for him to be introduced into your own life where God will personally given you all the attention you will ever need to start and maintain your own system of belief.

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Talk to any attorney, eyewitness testimony is not reliable.  In addition, 1) None of the New Testament constitutes eye-witness testimony, and no serious scholar thinks otherwise, and 2) Travis Walton claimed to have been abducted by aliens:

Wikipedia -- Travis Walton UFO incident

Do you believe in his "eyewitness" testimony?  If not, why not??

(March 6, 2019 at 3:52 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 6, 2019 at 8:32 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: ...and?  You wanna argue against yet another story you've told us and call yourself a liar, be my guest.  You've made it perfectly clear that you are incapable of honesty of any kind.  You can't even manage self-honesty, lol.

Aimlessly wandering from one self-own to the next babbling about flawless victories.

you have made nothing clear despite repeated attempts to try and find out specifically what it is I am supposed lying about and how it is you come tot his conclusion. You have done nothing but repeat the charge despite me asking you over and over for an example.

So i ask you again for proof or a citation of my being not truthful, and again what made you come to this conclusion.
Again I ask you provide me with some thing tangible beside an accusation as I to my knowledge have lied about nothing.

You can't even remember all the lies that you've told, at this point...can you?  LOL

Conveniently, the forum acts as repository for them.

(March 6, 2019 at 6:50 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 6, 2019 at 10:07 am)Drich Wrote: I offer you the same type of evidence used in courts of law around the world through the history of man even to this day. Personal eyewitness testimony. If eye witness testimony can have a man's life taken from him or it can set a man free this standard should be well more than what you need (unless you have been conditioned/indoctrinated) to put enough trust and faith in God for him to be introduced into your own life where God will personally given you all the attention you will ever need to start and maintain your own system of belief.

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Talk to any attorney, eyewitness testimony is not reliable.  In addition, 1) None of the New Testament constitutes eye-witness testimony, and no serious scholar thinks otherwise, and 2) Travis Walton claimed to have been abducted by aliens:

Wikipedia -- Travis Walton UFO incident

Do you believe in his "eyewitness" testimony?  If not, why not??

  you are bad at this sport. or are you saying out of all of christendom as with Travis Walton there is only ONE EYE WITNESS to God?

Not only that, I am calling your bluff on the value of eye witness in the court room.. because according to this Oxford paper written in feb of last year eyewitness testimony is still critically important in modern court room!

http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view...0-0026.xml

and again here to reinforce what I said in the beginning as in eye witness tesimony alone is enough to set a man free or sentence him to death.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/ac5e/58...3e5acc.pdf

that is one the word of one person who can be vetted as someone who would have seen these things as they happened.

But at the same time I will not argue some witnesses or some situation can be problematic as you pointed out with the one guy with the ufo story.whole .. however if say IDK 1/2 to 2/3s of the earth's whole population said they have seen or experienced God over a period of 2000 years or more... then the or reliablity of the testimony ceases to be a problem..

Could you imagine if literally 2/3 of the planet.. roughly 4.5 billion people all said the same thing about someone or some thing? for whom is this a problem? oh that's right people who have closed their minds to anything they do not wish to believe and seek 'evidence' that they themselves can not identify/meaning what ever other evidence you provide it is automatically disqualified.

(March 7, 2019 at 4:41 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 6, 2019 at 6:50 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Talk to any attorney, eyewitness testimony is not reliable.  In addition, 1) None of the New Testament constitutes eye-witness testimony, and no serious scholar thinks otherwise, and 2) Travis Walton claimed to have been abducted by aliens:

Wikipedia -- Travis Walton UFO incident

Do you believe in his "eyewitness" testimony?  If not, why not??

  you are bad at this sport. or are you saying out of all of christendom as with Travis Walton there is only ONE EYE WITNESS to God?

Not only that, I am calling your bluff on the value of eye witness in the court room.. because according to this Oxford paper written in feb of last year eyewitness testimony is still critically important in modern court room!

http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view...0-0026.xml

and again here to reinforce what I said in the beginning as in eye witness tesimony alone is enough to set a man free or sentence him to death.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/ac5e/58...3e5acc.pdf

that is one the word of one person who can be vetted as someone who would have seen these things as they happened.

But at the same time I will not argue some witnesses or some situation can be problematic as you pointed out with the one guy with the ufo story.whole .. however if say IDK 1/2 to 2/3s of the earth's whole population said they have seen or experienced God over a period of 2000 years or more... then the or reliablity of the testimony ceases to be a problem..

Could you imagine if literally 2/3 of the planet.. roughly 4.5 billion people all said the same thing about someone or some thing? for whom is this a problem? oh that's right people who have closed their minds to anything they do not wish to believe and seek 'evidence' that they themselves can not identify/meaning what ever other evidence you provide it is automatically disqualified.

 
You need to read more about "eyewitness" testimony in the Western court systems.  But, things are (once again) getting off track.

And, so, you're saying that Allah is real because 1.2 Muslims believe in that concept of God?  But, please, with respect to the Christian claims, please name your "eyewitnesses"?  Do you, for instance, accept the so-called Miracle of the Sun:

Wikipedia -- Miracle of the Sun

(March 6, 2019 at 11:05 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(March 6, 2019 at 3:52 pm)Drich Wrote: you have made nothing clear despite repeated attempts to try and find out specifically what it is I am supposed lying about and how it is you come tot his conclusion. You have done nothing but repeat the charge despite me asking you over and over for an example.

So i ask you again for proof or a citation of my being not truthful, and again what made you come to this conclusion.
Again I ask you provide me with some thing tangible beside an accusation as I to my knowledge have lied about nothing.

You can't even remember all the lies that you've told, at this point...can you?  LOL

Conveniently, the forum acts as repository for them.

INDEED!!!! So SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE!!! SHOW ME WHERE I SUPOSSED LIED AND EXPLAIN WHAT MAKES YOU THINK IT IS A LIE!!!

Unless you are the liar and can not!

curious why haven't you posted an example yet? haveing a hard time finding one???? perhaps there is a reason for that...

Show Me Sport! Next post from you to me should be a list of quotes, or an appology.

Nope.   The forum exists.  Anyone who wants to can look it up.   

Go fuck yourself.

You're a terrible human being...and any person who want's to be "christain" would do well to avoid you and anything you've ever said or done. Gratz.

(March 7, 2019 at 4:55 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 6, 2019 at 11:05 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You can't even remember all the lies that you've told, at this point...can you?  LOL

Conveniently, the forum acts as repository for them.

INDEED!!!! So SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE!!! SHOW ME WHERE I SUPOSSED LIED AND EXPLAIN WHAT MAKES YOU THINK IT IS A LIE!!!

Unless you are the liar and can not!

curious why haven't you posted an example yet? haveing a hard time finding one???? perhaps there is a reason for that...

Show Me Sport! Next post from you to me should be a list of quotes, or an appology.

We're drifting from my OP.  GC has responded to my question of him regarding the so-called "Miracle of the Sun"; what say you Drich?