You lied when you said you weren’t just using claims as an argument even after I quoted you doing exactly that, lol.

(April 10, 2019 at 12:35 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(April 10, 2019 at 12:22 pm)no one Wrote: All of them?

Please.

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(April 10, 2019 at 12:24 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: It's not as if it hasn't been pointed out to him before, but he'll inevitably lie about that too.  A person who lies about never lying isn't going to balk at any other pointless and silly lie, lol.

What are you talking about?  You can't even point to one post proving I lied about something.

See how easy it is to make the monkey man dance?  All you have to do is crank the organ, lol.

(April 9, 2019 at 7:01 pm)LostLocke Wrote:

(April 9, 2019 at 3:03 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: So if I am to land on another planet that has no other indication of intelligence, just a pile of regularly shaped fire baked clay blocks,  I would not assume that along is proof of intelligence on the planet

And that would be a smart move.
The Giant's Causeway is a good example. Those definitely look they were intentionally "designed".

Having only recently been up there, I can very much agree with this statement. Look at the basalt formations with preconceived notions about their genesis and it's very easy to get the wrong notion. Their legend is learnt by every Irish child as they start school.

(April 10, 2019 at 9:55 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(April 10, 2019 at 7:23 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Why is he unable to destroy it today?

Wrong. Just wrong.

What would something "not designed" look like?

He will destroy it when He decides.  It is His will.

Something not designed would not be fine-tuned as we fined in the universe and living systems.

If your god could destroy evil today but refuses to do so, then he/she/it/housecat is evil.

Give an example of such an undesigned thing.

(April 10, 2019 at 9:55 am)CDF47 Wrote: Something not designed would not be fine-tuned as we fined in the universe and living systems.

You are assuming humans are a special kind of life, how do you know different types of life could not exist had the universe worked differently ?

Sure we can point to lots of things which if they were not as they are would mean life (at least as we know it) could not exist, that though would apply to any life that evolved and it's evolution being reliant on things being as they are. I really don't think fine tuning arguments are as strong as you think they are.

Under your argument even the most destructive misery causing bacteria or disease could not exist had your god not fine tuned it to be so from the very beginning of creation.

(April 10, 2019 at 11:26 am)CDF47 Wrote: I am a Christian man that respects Behe for his knowledge on molecular machines and his bravery to speak up about it.

Was it his bravery that led him to admit this, or was it the fact that he was three cornered and there was nothing else he could say?

Quote:There are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred.

Michael Behe: October 18 2005

So there you have it; straight from the lying bastards own mouth.
"We have nothing to backup our claims".

It's a pity you don't have the same respect for the American judicial system.

Quote:For the reasons that follow, we conclude that the religious nature of ID [intelligent design] would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child.

John E Jones December 20, 2005

I will give you this; you're not as long-winded as the performance artist in the other thread.

Praise be.

(April 10, 2019 at 1:29 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: You lied when you said you weren’t just using claims as an argument even after I quoted you doing exactly that, lol.

That was not a lie.  I hope your LOL is a "just kidding" because I was clear that I saw those as facts and not just claims.

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(April 10, 2019 at 2:56 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(April 10, 2019 at 12:35 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Please.

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What are you talking about?  You can't even point to one post proving I lied about something.

See how easy it is to make the monkey man dance?  All you have to do is crank the organ, lol.

What are you rambling about now?

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(April 10, 2019 at 4:59 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(April 10, 2019 at 9:55 am)CDF47 Wrote: He will destroy it when He decides.  It is His will.

Something not designed would not be fine-tuned as we fined in the universe and living systems.

If your god could destroy evil today but refuses to do so, then he/she/it/housecat is evil.

Give an example of such an undesigned thing.

God uses sin/evil in a sinless way.  God is perfectly holy and He combats evil and will destroy it in hell.

Everything in this universe is designed I believe although He allows degrees of randomness.

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(April 10, 2019 at 6:04 pm)possibletarian Wrote:

(April 10, 2019 at 9:55 am)CDF47 Wrote: Something not designed would not be fine-tuned as we fined in the universe and living systems.

You are assuming humans are a special kind of life, how do you know different types of life could not exist had the universe worked differently ?  

Sure we can point to lots of things which if they were not as they are would mean life (at least as we know it) could not exist, that though would apply to any life that evolved and it's evolution being reliant on things being as they are.  I really don't think fine tuning arguments are as strong as you think they are.

Under your argument even the most destructive misery causing bacteria or disease could not exist had your god not fine tuned it to be so from the very beginning of creation.

The universe is designed perfectly for life to exist.  If any of 30 or so constants were changed, some by unimaginably small amounts of change, then life would not exist.  DNA is then further fine-tuned to the extent that it contains functional genetic digital information.

This is a fallen broken world which is why there is evil, calamity, disease,...  It is due to man's first sin and every sin since in thought, word, and action.

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(April 10, 2019 at 7:34 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(April 10, 2019 at 11:26 am)CDF47 Wrote: I am a Christian man that respects Behe for his knowledge on molecular machines and his bravery to speak up about it.

Was it his bravery that  led him to admit this, or was it the fact that he was three cornered and there was nothing else he could say?

Quote:There are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred.

Michael Behe: October 18 2005

So there you have it; straight from the lying bastards own mouth.
"We have nothing to backup our claims".

It's a pity you don't have the same respect for the American judicial system.

Quote:For the reasons that follow, we conclude that the religious nature of ID [intelligent design] would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child.

John E Jones December 20, 2005

I will give you this; you're not as long-winded as the performance artist in the other thread.

Praise be.

Based on videos I saw with him and his body language and tone, he is definitely behind his own claims.  

Provide the rest of the paragraph of that quote from Behe.  I would guess something is out of context.

(April 11, 2019 at 1:11 am)CDF47 Wrote: God uses sin/evil in a sinless way.  God is perfectly holy and He combats evil and will destroy it in hell.

Wow!
Do you know what an accomplice is?

(April 11, 2019 at 1:11 am)CDF47 Wrote: [quote='LadyForCamus' pid='1899384' dateline='1554917355']
You lied when you said you weren’t just using claims as an argument even after I quoted you doing exactly that, lol.

(April 11, 2019 at 1:11 am)CDF47 Wrote: That was not a lie.  I hope your LOL is a "just kidding" because I was clear that I saw those as facts and not just claims.

So as long as you think its true it isn't a claim its a fact, got ya.

(April 11, 2019 at 4:10 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(April 11, 2019 at 1:11 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(April 10, 2019 at 1:29 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: You lied when you said you weren’t just using claims as an argument even after I quoted you doing exactly that, lol.

(April 11, 2019 at 1:11 am)CDF47 Wrote: That was not a lie.  I hope your LOL is a "just kidding" because I was clear that I saw those as facts and not just claims.

So as long as you think its true it isn't a claim its a fact, got ya.

No, it is a fact that the information bearing properties in DNA prove the existence of a designer like I said in the OP.  I post many of my own beliefs and opinions in this thread as does everyone else.  It is a web forum, we all do that.

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(April 11, 2019 at 2:59 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(April 11, 2019 at 1:11 am)CDF47 Wrote: God uses sin/evil in a sinless way.  God is perfectly holy and He combats evil and will destroy it in hell.

Wow!
Do you know what an accomplice is?

What you talking about?  He allows evil and sin to occur due to the rebellion of Satan and man.  The Lord died for our sins.  That is the good news of the gospel in a nutshell; is Jesus died for our sins.  This is my belief based on my faith in the Lord.