(April 19, 2019 at 5:57 am)Belaqua Wrote:

(April 19, 2019 at 4:46 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: It wont be the same 850 year old building but a modern copy in the same place. 
I work next to HMS Victory and so much timber has been replaced in it over the years that I doubt any of it is original. 
Its effectively just a big model using some metal from the real one.

Not that it makes the fire any less disastrous, but Notre Dame de Paris has been continuously restored over its history. When Viollet-le-Duc did a major overhaul in the mid-19th century, contemporary critics said he had ruined it -- modernized its look to the point of fakery. 

We might get some purists coming along saying that the fire gives us a good excuse to restore it to how it was supposed to be. 

Then there's the whole question of what the REAL thing is -- whether it is the decayed version of itself, or whether rebuilding it is necessary to keep it itself. 

Europeans often tend to go for preserving ruins, for example at the Parthenon. But Japanese people completely rebuild the Great Shrine at Ise every 25 years, and say it's necessary to rebuild to maintain it as the same building. A decayed Great Shrine is not really the Great Shrine. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

Excellent point.  Even Stonehenge, as rubbishy as it looks now, has undergone restoration.

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(April 19, 2019 at 6:54 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 19, 2019 at 5:57 am)Belaqua Wrote: Not that it makes the fire any less disastrous, but Notre Dame de Paris has been continuously restored over its history. When Viollet-le-Duc did a major overhaul in the mid-19th century, contemporary critics said he had ruined it -- modernized its look to the point of fakery. 

We might get some purists coming along saying that the fire gives us a good excuse to restore it to how it was supposed to be. 

Then there's the whole question of what the REAL thing is -- whether it is the decayed version of itself, or whether rebuilding it is necessary to keep it itself. 

Europeans often tend to go for preserving ruins, for example at the Parthenon. But Japanese people completely rebuild the Great Shrine at Ise every 25 years, and say it's necessary to rebuild to maintain it as the same building. A decayed Great Shrine is not really the Great Shrine. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

Excellent point.  Even Stonehenge, as rubbishy as it looks now, has undergone restoration.

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Needs a hot tub, foosball tables, BBQ grill, and a 102" TV for watching THE GAME.

(April 19, 2019 at 7:18 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(April 19, 2019 at 6:54 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Excellent point.  Even Stonehenge, as rubbishy as it looks now, has undergone restoration.

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Needs a hot tub, foosball tables, BBQ grill, and a 102" TV for watching THE GAME.

Dunno about that, but if you get there on the summer solstice, it'll seem like Woodstock Lite.  Several years ago, it made news when about 700 condoms were found during the clean-up. 

Apparently, 'back to nature' loonies don't mind littering all that much.

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Superficiality is widespread no matter what the paradigm.

Today I attended my grandmother's funeral.
She was 92 and lived a wonderful life.

I now know the point of it all (at least for me)

The eulogy was given by a cousin of mine and she reminded me of all the good things that my grandmother did for us. She, along with my grandfather, provided a place for us to grow and explore.

I'm 54, so I grew up in a time when there were no cell phones, no internet, no cable TV. We visited my grandparents at least once a week if not more. They lived on a farm with lots of room to run around on.

My grandfather had cows and pigs, a barn with hay and mounds of corn. They raised chickens and we collected eggs in a basket. Lots of fruit trees and big vegetable garden.

We would climb trees, play by the pond, fish, play in the stream down by the road. There were corn fields and hay fields. They had clear, cold water straight from the well that my grandfather dug years ago.

We picked beans, dug up potatoes and carrots in the garden. Planted flowers and bailed hay. We would watch the moon rise at night after dinner and have fresh apple pie for dessert.

It was a time unlike any other in my life.

The point of it all was that my grandparents gave us a life that was full of everything they knew.

They were good and kind and patient.
I would like to think they set the bar pretty high when it comes to being decent human beings.

To me, that's the point of it all...to treat others as best you can so that they have as many good memories as possible. And in turn they will pass on those values to others.

I exist to continue my existence.

I enjoy reading books. They have a beginning, a middle, and an end. What would be the point of trying to read a book that continues forever? I could never finish it no matter how hard I tried. What would be the point of having such a thing? In a sense, people are their stories, and though I'd like mine to be long, what's the point of this life if it's just an infinitesimal blip in a story that never ends?

(April 6, 2019 at 2:53 pm)joe90 Wrote: Dear Atheists, What's your point of living?

Perhaps my priorities are kinda off. Life, to me, is meaningless without love and justice. I've been deprived of them since birth so I'm still very much struggling to strive. I won't go into the details here but maybe one day I'll find something that will make my life meaningful. For now just coping with art and nature.

Nature has given me the faculties to enjoy many things such as eating, talking to people, watching movies, etc.

Eventually these faculties will start to decline until I die. Hopefully I will make most of my life while young. While at the same time, not hurting others for selfish desires.

I hope to leave a legacy, artistic and scientific. Hopefully this will inspire future generations. One’s work is never finished. You only pass the torch.

At work.

I must admit. Isn't the opening sentence rather malformed?