(April 21, 2019 at 4:46 am)Guard of Guardians Wrote: That's an interesting assertion, but it doesn't happen to be true.  The existence of God makes sense of the reality in which I live.  The non-existence of God does not.  Who's deluded?

You, of course.

Dude, you're just one more deluded creationist.

(April 21, 2019 at 4:46 am)Guard of Guardians Wrote:  Philosopher Alvin Plantinga can give well over two dozen arguments, few if any of which have been refuted.  

Has he given any evidence?  ... and refering to my last post, can you refute I walked on water?

At work.

(April 21, 2019 at 4:32 am)Guard of Guardians Wrote: They are no different.  There are any number of books and debates that have been had that provide several independent lines of evidence through logical arguments and the implications of modern science that a creator of all that ever began to exist is actually an extant reality...in short, God is real.  So far, I've seen no actual refutations that actually go through and demonstrate that these logical arguments or science based evidences are false.  So the existence of God has been evidenced.  I would think, as an atheist, you would have at least familiarized yourself with this area before visiting an atheist forum.

Hello Guard of Guardians. (Or G G )

So..... logic only works so far as one accepts/acknowledges the premises that it is built upon. Yes/No?

I also think there's a 'Wonky-ness' with your statement;

"Evidence through logical argument."

I.... find the comment/statement to be more rhetorical than 'Functional'.

Again pointing back to premises being accepted... or even, perhapse, just being agreed upon first.

Cheers.

(April 21, 2019 at 4:46 am)Guard of Guardians Wrote:

(April 21, 2019 at 3:47 am)Succubus Wrote: Could you list a few of these reasons.

And welcome to the forums.

#1 - The fact that the entire time-space universe came into existence a finite time ago.  (Related to the Cosmological argument)

#2 - The fine-tuning of the constants and quantities of the space-time universe that make intelligent life even possible in this universe.  (Fine-Tuning argument)

#3 - The complex information contained within DNA. (Intelligent Design and/or Teleological argument)

#4 - The applicability of mathematics to the physical world - the mathematical structure upon which the universe seems to be based.  (Argument from applicability of Mathematics)

#5 - The reality objective moral laws & duties.  (The Moral argument)

#6 - The historical reality and authenticity of the existence, death, and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.  (Argument from the historicity of the salient details of the life, death, and post-death appearances of Jesus of Nazareth).

There are other logical arguments as well...  Philosopher Alvin Plantinga can give well over two dozen arguments, few if any of which have been refuted.  If the logical arguments go through, so that the conclusion follows directly from the premises, then they constitute genuine evidence, unless or until a substantive objection is made and can be sustained to demonstrate why the argument does not go through.

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(April 21, 2019 at 4:39 am)Kit Wrote: All that has realistically happened is that theists have erroneously convinced (deluded) themselves into believing that they have evidence for god's existence.

That's an interesting assertion, but it doesn't happen to be true.  The existence of God makes sense of the reality in which I live.  The non-existence of God does not.  Who's deluded?

Fuck, is that all you have?

Little wonder you believe in de lard.

You believe in Harry Potter, rocking horse droppings and fairies at the bottom of the garden too?

So your invisible mate got up one morning, about 13.8 billion years ago and created a universe that, actually, is very hostile to humans?  That dismisses point #1.

The parallel universes theory with differently finely tuned constants dismisses point#2 and #4.

Because you don't know how DNA evolved doesn't mean it didn't naturally evolve and, even if it was a god what done it doesn't mean it was your god. That dismisses point #3.

Long before zombie boy jebus did't show up, we had laws.  They developed quite naturally.  They are a biological imperative.  That dismisses point #5. 

There is no evidence that zombie boy jebus ever existed.  If you think that any REAL EVIDENCE exists, let's hear it christard.  That dismisses point #6.

Class dismissed.

Oh, and christard, please come up with something better than this load of old bollocks.  It's so passe.

(April 21, 2019 at 4:52 am)Kit Wrote:

(April 21, 2019 at 4:46 am)Guard of Guardians Wrote: That's an interesting assertion, but it doesn't happen to be true.  The existence of God makes sense of the reality in which I live.  The non-existence of God does not.  Who's deluded?

You, of course.

Why would that be?  I'm rationally justified in my belief in God.  Naturalism or materialism leads to determinism, which cannot be rationally affirmed.  Again I say, "who's deluded?"

At work.

Hello Guard of Guardians. (Sorry, I'm not posting all that out for much longer)

I did note youre six 'Examples'/'Reasons'/'Justifications' for a diety.

I don't quite have the ability to really respond well but I do note that (A) Some of them are actually faulty and (B) Don't quite get you to a specific diety without some extra work.

Cheers.

(April 21, 2019 at 5:07 am)Guard of Guardians Wrote:

(April 21, 2019 at 4:52 am)Kit Wrote: You, of course.

Why would that be?  I'm rationally justified in my belief in God.  

No, you just regurgitated some christard shit that christards have been spouting for eons is all.

Like I said, you probably believe in rocking horse droppings too.

(April 21, 2019 at 5:07 am)Guard of Guardians Wrote: Why would that be?  I'm rationally justified in my belief in God.  Naturalism or materialism leads to determinism, which cannot be rationally affirmed.  Again I say, "who's deluded?"

Again, you.

(April 21, 2019 at 5:08 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: I don't quite have the ability to really respond well ...
Cheers.

You don't actually need too much.  It's just the samo samo we've been hearing from these  ers for years.

I suspect it's some young buck who's recently discovered christardology and thinks Atheists are a bunch of twatless morons.