Lets hope the Saudi government will next allow women to drive and go in public unescorted by husbands, fathers and brothers.

(September 27, 2011 at 6:27 am)Justtristo Wrote: Lets hope the Saudi government will next allow women to drive and go in public unescorted by husbands, fathers and brothers.

Mannn! That is a HUGE ask. We ARE talking about blokes with small penises and meglomaniacal tendencies here.

Good news, but i remain very skeptical...it really depends what caused the law to change: is it to appease the West, to appease public opinion by advertising a reform that wont change anything, or did Saudi women (and men, it's not like they don't love their wives and daughters) actually rise up and made change happen ?

Good to see at least he was wise enough not to include access to driving..there's been enough world-wide carnage from female drivers.

*waiting for the inevitable*

What does this thread have to do with Islam?

The corrupt Saudi Arabian government doesn't represent Islam.

No, but this Saudi Arabian fuckstick does... oops... did..

(October 11, 2011 at 2:54 am)aleialoura Wrote: No, but this Saudi Arabian fuckstick does... oops... did..

Okay buddy... check your brainwashed mind before you come here spouting your ignorance

What about all those, Islamic people/nations fighting him and his terrorist group long before 2001. So what about them... they don't represent Islam? Only the bad ones do.....that's what you are saying, no?

Theists only allow "the bad atheists" to represent people who logically know that there is no gods, so yep.

(October 11, 2011 at 2:40 am)ruhollah Wrote: What does this thread have to do with Islam?

The corrupt Saudi Arabian government doesn't represent Islam.

Ah yes, the Muslim version of the "No True Scottsman" fallacy.

(October 11, 2011 at 5:08 am)aleialoura Wrote: Theists only allow "the bad atheists" to represent people who logically know that there is no gods, so yep.

Who here in this thread is saying such things about athiests? I know there are good-hearted atheists who behave much better than "muslims" (I put them in quotes because they perform hypocritical actions without realizing it).

Now in relation to this thread, I just see a poster here...claiming a terrorist leader being the true leader of Islam. This is ignorance, not knowing that there were Muslim nations fighting them for years--long before US came to Afghanistan. And if some of the more intelligent atheist posters here aren't going to point this stuff out--you're just letting the hatred propaganda being spread around. Just like the Aryan Germans standing idly by while the jews were being targeted.

Secondly in relation to fundamental differences between Islam and atheism. Islam is oppose to relative morality. Atheism is relative and based on social standards. There is no set of morals to work with. I know you think that murdering is wrong... but on what basis are you justify that from?

For example, in the roman empire...where having lions kill non-roman citizens in the Colosseum was seen as normal and just entertainment. If you and your friends go back to that time and tell the people it's wrong.... they will all look at you cross-eyed and call you guys disillusion and dismiss you. Then with the good-heart that you guys have, you all spread around and try to convince the community that the non-roman murdering is wrong and not entertaining. Some roman citizens start to agree with you and they stop going to the Colosseum. Eventually the government officials in charge of the Colosseum notice a drastic shortage in revenue...and investigate on what the problem is. They eventually realize it is you and your friends that spread this message on "non-roman murder is wrong" and they will start targeting you and convince the roman citizens how bad your group is.

Islam is in the same situation. In today highly liberal society that focuses on glitz, glamor and short-term profits....if people are to be raised very conservatively like Muslims, it will be very hard to make a profit when the economy is based on debt, speculation and a game of confidence. I gave many examples in the past how the fashion industry, the brewery industry, the financial (debt-based) industry, the big-arga/pharma industry, the night club services, divorce-legal services...etc. can't make a dime from truly devout Muslims. It's only natural to target this group...so these industries can generate more income from ex-muslims and/or prevent other people to follow it. There are major problems with secular societies...even though most people don't realize it right now.