Define amendment. A minor change or addition designed to improve a text, piece of legislation. Its constitutional to change an amendment, it isn't constitutional to threat death because your feelings get hurt over the nature of realty and truth. If you only read word for word the amendment and not the thoughts of and history of people who wrote it, you don't understand anything of how anything is created but only blabber on about your views being right no matter who is stepped on in the process you just be the very definition of a blind soldier who fights for evil without knowing it and is labelled a monster along the way by people who in the way.

Abortion is not evil, it is the force that trys to ban it, that is evil and tyrannical. Ironic to your viewpoint.

(May 15, 2019 at 5:39 am)Fierce Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 5:34 am)CDF47 Wrote: It's part of the Bill of Rights.  No it cannot be amended. 

It most certainly can be amended, especially considering the historical fact that the second amendment did not mean for the people to bear arms until it was amended by the Supreme Court to mean what current gun fondlers interpret it to mean.

It's what the founders interpreted to mean.  It was to defend against tyrants primarily (foreign and domestic).

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(May 15, 2019 at 5:48 am)Draconic Aiur Wrote: Define amendment. A minor change or addition designed to improve a text, piece of legislation. Its constitutional to change an amendment, it isn't constitutional to threat death because your feelings get hurt over the nature of realty and truth. If you only read word for word the amendment and not the thoughts of and history of people who wrote it, you don't understand anything of how anything is created but only blabber on about your views being right no matter who is stepped on in the process you just be the very definition of a blind soldier who fights for evil without knowing it and is labelled a monster along the way by people who in the way.

Abortion is not evil, it is the force that trys to ban it, that is evil and tyrannical. Ironic to your viewpoint.

It's not happening.  

I didn't threaten anything.  

Abortion is evil.

(May 15, 2019 at 1:00 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 12:06 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: I have an objection to using the word "sickening" as a replacement for "morally wrong." Morality is not based on what makes us feel ill or not. It is based on what is interpersonally destructive. I like to eat peanut butter, banana, and mayonnaise sandwiches. Some people may find that sickening. But by no means is it morally wrong.

 If you think there is an equal sign between what is "sickening" and what is "morally wrong"... there is a word for that- nihilism. Or more precisely, "nihilistic expressivism."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressivism

If you think there is any truth value to the statement, "Murdering babies in the womb is wrong," be careful not to confuse that with how it personally makes you feel.

Yes, it is morally wrong.  I agree with much of what you said.

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(May 15, 2019 at 12:12 am)Brian37 Wrote: And even outside the issue of abortion. If your argument is that humans should not play God, then you should never go to a doctor yourself. If God knows what he is doing, then doctors are fucking up his plan.

I believe doctors are sent by God.  They have a lot of responsibility on their hands but they get paid well for it.

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(May 15, 2019 at 12:50 am)Brian37 Wrote: You wanted to avoid the word "morality" right?

I simply do not see how that is possible in our current climate, especially with all the logical inconsistencies coming from the right.

Just like guns, everyone can agree that nobody likes the current state of affairs, but nobody can agree on how to solve the problem.

I'd say the problem on both issues is not the left, but the fear of change bought and sold by the right.

Guns ownership is a Constitutional right which will remain in tact.  It is there to suppress a tyrannical government primarily, as well as for self-defense against criminals who will own the guns regardless.  The right is also included in the Constitution to defend against foreign invading armies.  That's why there will be no change.  It could mean war.

And God said...Go forth and do medical stuff...there's good money in it.

JHC.

(May 15, 2019 at 7:06 am)Losty Wrote:

Moderator Notice
Now you have your very own guns thread. Enjoy

Excellent.  Thanks!

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(May 15, 2019 at 7:16 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 1:00 am)CDF47 Wrote: Yes, it is morally wrong.  I agree with much of what you said.

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I believe doctors are sent by God.  They have a lot of responsibility on their hands but they get paid well for it.

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Guns ownership is a Constitutional right which will remain in tact.  It is there to suppress a tyrannical government primarily, as well as for self-defense against criminals who will own the guns regardless.  The right is also included in the Constitution to defend against foreign invading armies.  That's why there will be no change.  It could mean war.

And God said...Go forth and do medical stuff...there's good money in it.

JHC.

No God works through His people.  It is clear in the Scriptures.  That is what I was talking about.  

OK, back to guns.

(May 15, 2019 at 5:34 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 5:27 am)Draconic Aiur Wrote: The Constitutional right to bear arms is an admendment, which means it could can be changed. Why this is? Well the fouding fathers aka TJ thought be great for a small nation not a giant one like ours. You can read all about TJ and the founding fathers way of thinking and history.

Abortion isn't the same as killing babies which you don't see because their not grown enough to be called anything but fetus or lower. It is not held in the constitution because people at time were mostly Fundie christians with a old world (not modern) view and they thought abortion was the devil. This is because of ignorance, religious zealotry, and often sexist views on women. Now modernly we have knowledge and the compassion and or logic, but the views become political thanks to the manipulative politicians who use peoples emotion to control them and what better way to control them, than to invite religion in and the sacredness of birth. However it isn't just political its the world that sadly is a patriarchy that many of us arent willing to make. Women are seen as a reproductive machine, eye candy, weaklings, and whores to many men and even women! It all started with a human notion that restricts women to obedient servants of men just as the bible, quran or other holy texts explain. But thist is no supernatural thought it's human and like every thing humans have made it exists as a standard unwritten law in all peoples minds. It is unjust but it's hard to teach billions like how it's hard to teach a dog new tricks: its programmed and maybe just maybe in our DNA!!! Just how messed up is that?

It's part of the Bill of Rights.  No it cannot be amended.  Probably not without a war inside the country.  Ever hear of the Oath Keepers.  It is basically an active militia type group inside the military, law enforcement, and fire departments.  They will keep their oath to defend the Constitution.  There are many others out there that would not go for this inside the US.  Just saying. I already read what the founders had to say about this.  It is to stop tyranny, contend against potential invading armies, and to defend against thugs that will have the weapons anyway.

Are you American? Did they require you to take a U.S. history class when you were younger? The Bill of Rights is the first ten amendments to the Constitution. Amendments can, and have, been repealed. That's the point of the amendment process... to be able to do that...

Personally, I'd certainly love to see all the gun-owners in the midwest take on Army-issued drones. Good luck.

That being said, I think you're right. Gun culture is part of American culture, it's not going away, and a repeal of the Second Amendment would be, practically speaking, impossible. Which sucks, since it's a pretty dumb amendment to have IMO. I guess we'll have to explore more realistic ways of decreasing the number of mass shootings, which I hope you care about decreasing. I always find that the pro-gun crowd shuts down all gun control arguments while offering no rebuttal. Y'all do care about shootings, right? You're normal, sane, compassionate human beings who don't want to see kids shot in their classrooms, right? Sometimes I need to double check. I know it's true, but I have very little sympathy for gun lovers and a lot of sympathy for shooting victims.

The fear of being shot trumps the fear of having your AR-15 taken by the government. That's a fact to me, but not to you. That's ok, but there has to be some sort of logical compromise.

(May 15, 2019 at 9:45 am)Aegon Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 5:34 am)CDF47 Wrote: It's part of the Bill of Rights.  No it cannot be amended.  Probably not without a war inside the country.  Ever hear of the Oath Keepers.  It is basically an active militia type group inside the military, law enforcement, and fire departments.  They will keep their oath to defend the Constitution.  There are many others out there that would not go for this inside the US.  Just saying. I already read what the founders had to say about this.  It is to stop tyranny, contend against potential invading armies, and to defend against thugs that will have the weapons anyway.

Are you American? Did they require you to take a U.S. history class when you were younger? The Bill of Rights is the first ten amendments to the Constitution. Amendments can, and have, been repealed. That's the point of the amendment process... to be able to do that...

Personally, I'd certainly love to see all the gun-owners in the midwest take on Army-issued drones. Good luck.

That being said, I think you're right. Gun culture is part of American culture, it's not going away, and a repeal of the Second Amendment would be, practically speaking, impossible. Which sucks, since it's a pretty dumb amendment to have IMO. I guess we'll have to explore more realistic ways of decreasing the number of mass shootings, which I hope you care about decreasing. I always find that the pro-gun crowd shuts down all gun control arguments while offering no rebuttal. Y'all do care about shootings, right? You're normal, sane, compassionate human beings who don't want to see kids shot in their classrooms, right? Sometimes I need to double check. I know it's true, but I have very little sympathy for gun lovers and a lot of sympathy for shooting victims.

I understand they can repealed.  My point is, it's not happening.  War could break out over it.

I definitely want mass shootings decreased.  Of course I do.  Arming teachers is one way to deter school shootings.

(May 15, 2019 at 9:53 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 9:45 am)Aegon Wrote: Are you American? Did they require you to take a U.S. history class when you were younger? The Bill of Rights is the first ten amendments to the Constitution. Amendments can, and have, been repealed. That's the point of the amendment process... to be able to do that...

Personally, I'd certainly love to see all the gun-owners in the midwest take on Army-issued drones. Good luck.

That being said, I think you're right. Gun culture is part of American culture, it's not going away, and a repeal of the Second Amendment would be, practically speaking, impossible. Which sucks, since it's a pretty dumb amendment to have IMO. I guess we'll have to explore more realistic ways of decreasing the number of mass shootings, which I hope you care about decreasing. I always find that the pro-gun crowd shuts down all gun control arguments while offering no rebuttal. Y'all do care about shootings, right? You're normal, sane, compassionate human beings who don't want to see kids shot in their classrooms, right? Sometimes I need to double check. I know it's true, but I have very little sympathy for gun lovers and a lot of sympathy for shooting victims.

I understand they can repealed.  My point is, it's not happening.  War could break out over it.

I definitely want mass shootings decreased.  Of course I do.  Arming teachers is one way to deter school shootings.

I struggle to understand your logic. To decrease the likelihood of school shootings, you want more guns in schools? What would be the logistics of that? Have you considered the amount of factors at play there? I can't imagine that putting guns in schools like that won't increase the amount of shootings in schools the same way having a gun in your house increases the likelihood of somebody getting shot, accidental or intentional (homicidal).

But I won't interject my concerns. I'll just ask questions, and see what your answers are.

Would you train the teachers? What sort of training would it require? Where would they keep the firearms? How can you ensure children won't gain access to them? What about dangerous urban public schools, where the students may overpower a teacher and take the weapon; are stand-offs where the teacher points a gun at a student's head going to be a regular occurrence? What psychological toll will there be on the teachers who carry them, who are unused to carrying them, and their students who know they have them? What about students with PTSD who may panic around firearms? What about the risk of accidental shootings, of which there are several? Do you think this might increase shootings because a student now can just find a clever way to obtain a teacher's rather than purchase it themselves or from family?

(May 15, 2019 at 8:27 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 7:06 am)Losty Wrote:

Moderator Notice
Now you have your very own guns thread. Enjoy

Excellent.  Thanks!

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(May 15, 2019 at 7:16 am)arewethereyet Wrote: And God said...Go forth and do medical stuff...there's good money in it.

JHC.

No God works through His people.  It is clear in the Scriptures.  That is what I was talking about.  

OK, back to guns.

Yea you know whom also loves their god and weapons? ISIS. But let me guess, you picked the correct deity to fight for right?

SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY,  FRIDAY FRIDAY FRIDAY, at the corporate greed arena, it is a death cage match between Jesus and Allah, in a no holds barred match including assault weapons.

"My sky hero can beat up your sky hero, but only with human help, even though he is all powerful and shouldn't need human help."

Sky wizards and weapons, like oil and fire, peanut butter and arsenic.

Peace through violence is like fucking for virginity.

(May 15, 2019 at 9:53 am)CDF47 Wrote: War could break out over it.

Not war, insurrection. Like the fascists want to do in Germany in the 1920a.

Quote:I definitely want mass shootings decreased.  Of course I do.  Arming teachers is one way to deter school shootings.

Yep, more guns make things better, always.