(June 30, 2019 at 9:52 am)Fierce Wrote:

(May 27, 2019 at 7:57 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: I'm seeking information on whether or not the biblical Adam & Eve story was derived from earlier myths, such a Babylonian or Sumerian creation stories. Please include citations and or links. Thank you. 

Adam and Eve seem to be purely a Judeo-Christian concept.

From what I can gather, origins in religions predating the unholy trinity did not revolve around one man and one woman. Rather, the gods were of more importance.

Not even remotely. There isn’t a mythos on earth that doesn’t have a “first man/first woman” story that relates human beings to primordial nature and their (then) current state of affairs. The Adam and Eve story is bog standard in that set. Moving briskly from the first two humans wild in paradise to an agricultural existence filled with pain and struggle. The summary is that they found themselves and then gave birth to the human condition ( as the authors knew it).

If it were written today it would go something like “Johnny knocked sally up and had to get a McJob “

So, Gwaithmir, how did it go? Did you find the material? Did you confront the guy?

(July 2, 2019 at 3:40 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: So, Gwaithmir, how did it go? Did you find the material? Did you confront the guy?

He abandoned the discussion before I got anything usable here.

---

(July 2, 2019 at 12:36 pm)Drich Wrote:

(June 30, 2019 at 4:24 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: And you "know" God exists..........how?

Because when you seek God on HIS terms God shows up.

For me God showed up directly in the way of my Judgement/Hell dream and in the way of an angel/messenger who told me of my past strife and prayers of my current situation and of my future, all of which was true and a great majority of the future stuff did indeed happen.
Both of these stories are document here:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html
https://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html

Then in passively I have access to God's wisdom which is displayed in business (2 US patents for "green refrigeration system) which we sold and rolled into our little shop which brought us from a local business to one who deals internationally. also It would seem I have an insite to how scripture works and can generally answers any question concerning God or the bible IE being able to assimilate the whole of evolutionary theory into a 7 day creation with out changing a word of either the bible or the current evolutionary model.

All without any formal training or schooling of any kind in these fields. matter of fact when i graduated high school I could not read past 4th grade level, and what i could read I could not extrapolate information from/everything went into deciphering what was on page. I started with commic books to teach my self how to read and then moved on to the bible.

---

I am not alone as most believers believe because in one form or another God has shown up in their lives.

Lots of interesting anecdotes, but anecdotes are not proof of anything. What you have posted reads like nothing more than fantasy tales laced with confirmation bias. I've heard similar stories from Muslims, Jews, Native Americans, and even practitioners of Wicca.

(July 2, 2019 at 12:36 pm)Drich Wrote:

(June 30, 2019 at 10:24 pm)Jehanne Wrote: The mental hospitals are full of individuals who believe that the Sun is communicating with them; you can't argue with these people.

when the sun says it will be hot today are you a fool who wears a jacket? when the sun says it will be cold today will you wear a tank top? or are you a fool who does not understand solar out put is not constant? meaning the sun does not radiate the same level of light and heat all the time? Or are you too stupid to understand that the fluctuations in solar out put is an indicator or form of communication that not only can tell you how to plan a day but week month or year? thankfully there are much smarter people who know how to 'communicate or read the sun and plant crops and raise live stock by it.

---

I have encountered some misunderstanding of modern scientific concepts, but yours, I think, takes the cake.  The "sun says"???  By the way, solar output has been relatively constant over time:

(July 2, 2019 at 8:02 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(July 2, 2019 at 3:40 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: So, Gwaithmir, how did it go? Did you find the material? Did you confront the guy?

Be patient, I'm very busy, this week has been hard (work). I will try to publish the article before Friday, InchaAllah.

(July 3, 2019 at 12:03 pm)soldierofGod Wrote: Be patient, I'm very busy, this week has been hard (work). I will try to publish the article before Friday, InchaAllah.

That inquiry was not about you, but concerned the Christian fundamentalist I encountered on YouTube.

(July 2, 2019 at 8:02 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(July 2, 2019 at 3:40 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: So, Gwaithmir, how did it go? Did you find the material? Did you confront the guy?

He abandoned the discussion before I got anything usable here.

---

(July 2, 2019 at 12:36 pm)Drich Wrote: Because when you seek God on HIS terms God shows up.

For me God showed up directly in the way of my Judgement/Hell dream and in the way of an angel/messenger who told me of my past strife and prayers of my current situation and of my future, all of which was true and a great majority of the future stuff did indeed happen.
Both of these stories are document here:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html
https://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html

Then in passively I have access to God's wisdom which is displayed in business (2 US patents for "green refrigeration system) which we sold and rolled into our little shop which brought us from a local business to one who deals internationally. also It would seem I have an insite to how scripture works and can generally answers any question concerning God or the bible IE being able to assimilate the whole of evolutionary theory into a 7 day creation with out changing a word of either the bible or the current evolutionary model.

All without any formal training or schooling of any kind in these fields. matter of fact when i graduated high school I could not read past 4th grade level, and what i could read I could not extrapolate information from/everything went into deciphering what was on page. I started with commic books to teach my self how to read and then moved on to the bible.

---

I am not alone as most believers believe because in one form or another God has shown up in their lives.

Lots of interesting anecdotes, but anecdotes are not proof of anything. What you have posted reads like nothing more than fantasy tales laced with confirmation bias. I've heard similar stories from Muslims, Jews, Native Americans, and even practitioners of Wicca.

maybe not in your imaginary world, but here in C-137 ( I know pre2013  it references a DC-3, but here it references a rick and morty joke for you old people) Eye witness testimony is strong enough to sentence a man to death. personal testimony about a business or a restaurant can literally be the sole determination if it is successful or fails (ever hear of Yelp/It's another not old person thing look it up.) 

maybe where you are from (the universe where people have hamsters driving them through their asses)  when people (Say 2.2 billion ie the christian population of the world,) tell you there is a guy giving out 100 dollar bills on the corner of X and 3rd at 3:00PM every day if you compliment his hat. the LOGICAL thing to do is go and see for yourself and approach this guy on his terms and not through some stupid scientific method designed to fail as it is not following the prescription the man handing our the money demands!

(July 10, 2019 at 10:26 am)Drich Wrote:

(July 2, 2019 at 8:02 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: He abandoned the discussion before I got anything usable here.

---

Lots of interesting anecdotes, but anecdotes are not proof of anything. What you have posted reads like nothing more than fantasy tales laced with confirmation bias. I've heard similar stories from Muslims, Jews, Native Americans, and even practitioners of Wicca.

maybe not in your imaginary world, but here in C-137 ( I know pre2013  it references a DC-3, but here it references a rick and morty joke for you old people) Eye witness testimony is strong enough to sentence a man to death. personal testimony about a business or a restaurant can literally be the sole determination if it is successful or fails (ever hear of Yelp/It's another not old person thing look it up.) 

maybe where you are from (the universe where people have hamsters driving them through their asses)  when people (Say 2.2 billion ie the christian population of the world,) tell you there is a guy giving out 100 dollar bills on the corner of X and 3rd at 3:00PM every day if you compliment his hat. the LOGICAL thing to do is go and see for yourself and approach this guy on his terms and not through some stupid scientific method designed to fail as it is not following the prescription the man handing our the money demands!

Which STILL doesn't alter the fact that your personal anecdotes are not proof of anything.

(July 10, 2019 at 10:26 am)Drich Wrote:

(July 2, 2019 at 8:02 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: He abandoned the discussion before I got anything usable here.

---

Lots of interesting anecdotes, but anecdotes are not proof of anything. What you have posted reads like nothing more than fantasy tales laced with confirmation bias. I've heard similar stories from Muslims, Jews, Native Americans, and even practitioners of Wicca.

maybe not in your imaginary world, but here in C-137 ( I know pre2013  it references a DC-3, but here it references a rick and morty joke for you old people) Eye witness testimony is strong enough to sentence a man to death. personal testimony about a business or a restaurant can literally be the sole determination if it is successful or fails (ever hear of Yelp/It's another not old person thing look it up.) 

maybe where you are from (the universe where people have hamsters driving them through their asses)  when people (Say 2.2 billion ie the christian population of the world,) tell you there is a guy giving out 100 dollar bills on the corner of X and 3rd at 3:00PM every day if you compliment his hat. the LOGICAL thing to do is go and see for yourself and approach this guy on his terms and not through some stupid scientific method designed to fail as it is not following the prescription the man handing our the money demands!

Ask anyone on this forum, I'm actually giving out 5 to 50,000$.  Would you like to meet me for it? (There is a time limit)

Some caveats; It has to be at 1am (Work schedule) and the location is 1130 E Canfield St, Detroit, MI 48207, Now you may run into some unsavory folks because it was voted the worst neighborhood in the city along with being riddled drugs, crime, and murders.

None of that should be an issue because, after all, A bunch of people on this forum told you that they know a forum member that knew a guy who heard someone got 50,000$ from me.

I open the floor to the forum to share their stories of how much money they really, totally, got from me.
Bless. RAmen

(July 10, 2019 at 12:28 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(July 10, 2019 at 10:26 am)Drich Wrote: maybe not in your imaginary world, but here in C-137 ( I know pre2013  it references a DC-3, but here it references a rick and morty joke for you old people) Eye witness testimony is strong enough to sentence a man to death. personal testimony about a business or a restaurant can literally be the sole determination if it is successful or fails (ever hear of Yelp/It's another not old person thing look it up.) 

maybe where you are from (the universe where people have hamsters driving them through their asses)  when people (Say 2.2 billion ie the christian population of the world,) tell you there is a guy giving out 100 dollar bills on the corner of X and 3rd at 3:00PM every day if you compliment his hat. the LOGICAL thing to do is go and see for yourself and approach this guy on his terms and not through some stupid scientific method designed to fail as it is not following the prescription the man handing our the money demands!

Which STILL doesn't alter the fact that your personal anecdotes are not proof of anything.

Test-I-Mony moron Testimony! do you not understand what a testimony is? do you not know how eye witness account when compiled with 2.2 billion other similar accounts by defination is "proof."

tes·ti·mo·ny
/ˈtestəˌmōnē/
[/url]Learn to pronounce
[url=https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS743US744&q=how+to+pronounce+testimony&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOMIfcRozS3w8sc9YSmjSWtOXmPU4eINKMrPK81LzkwsyczPExLlYglJLcoV4pXi5uIsSS0uyczNz6u0YlFiSs3jWcQqlZFfrlCSr1AA1JQP1JWqAFcDACHUYHtdAAAA&pron_lang=en&pron_country=us&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJ0NOn96rjAhWTK80KHSEeDfMQ3eEDMAB6BAgLEAg]
noun

1. a formal written or spoken statement, especially one given in a court of law.
   synonyms:
   evidence, sworn statement, attestation, affidavit; More
   
   
   
   
   
   
   • evidence or proof provided by the existence or appearance of something.
     "his blackened finger was testimony to the fact that he had played in pain"
     synonyms:
     testament, proof, evidence, attestation, witness; More
     
     
     
     
     
   • a public recounting of a religious conversion or experience.