(July 15, 2019 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 15, 2019 at 3:02 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Before pre marital sex, divorce, and single parenting we’re normalized.,. people fucked in private, cheated on and cucked their spouses at an alarming rate,  and remained stuck in loveless and/or abusive marriages.

Ah, the good old days!

The reason that Christians are obsessed with other people’s dicks is simple.  Taboo breeds perversion.

I'm not saying people did not cheat on their spouses in the past. I am saying society did not allow tools that made cheating so easy before the culture of free sex.

Or are you saying there was a 1950's version of tinder, ginder and 100's of other hook up apps and websites who only purpose was to put strangers in bed with one another. Where as before you had to actively seek out people who wanted what you did. Today it seems like the culture has become anti family in that the protections of just general shame for not being monogamous has in of it'self become 'immoral' to the culture at large.

They did, actually, assuming you couldn’t just pop over to your neighbors house and get laid. Why don’t you try google to see all the fun covers and euphemisms we’ve employed over the years for the meat market.

Human beings have always been this way, lol...that’s why we’re so well mixed. Your own silly magic book leads off with a story about two kids fucking in the bushes. Maybe you should’ve gotten the clue?

Humans are raunchy hormone laden screwing machines and their has never been an age or nation that has not acted as such .Out side the delusional fantasies  of religious puritans who themselves were hypocrites .

(July 15, 2019 at 5:09 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(July 15, 2019 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm not saying people did not cheat on their spouses in the past. I am saying society did not allow tools that made cheating so easy before the culture of free sex.

Or are you saying there was a 1950's version of tinder, ginder and 100's of other hook up apps and websites who only purpose was to put strangers in bed with one another. Where as before you had to actively seek out people who wanted what you did. Today it seems like the culture has become anti family in that the protections of just general shame for not being monogamous has in of it'self become 'immoral' to the culture at large.

They did, actually, assuming you couldn’t just pop over to your neighbors house and get laid.  Why don’t you try google to see all the fun covers and euphemisms we’ve employed over the years for the meat market.

Human beings have always been this way, lol...that’s why we’re so well mixed.  Your own silly magic book leads off with a story about two kids fucking in the bushes.  Maybe you should’ve gotten the clue?

A little further down the line weren't there daughters who got daddy drunk and screwed him?  Of course they weren't strangers but it's still sort of frowned upon in many societies.

(July 15, 2019 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 15, 2019 at 1:08 pm)Athene Wrote:

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Above all things, I encourage women to become wholly self-sufficient before having children, and that stance has nothing to do with sex. I honestly believe it goes much further in protecting them and their children from poverty then any simple "marriage solution". I would like to see more women in the position of being able to well-provide for their families whether they choose to be unmarried, marry, or marry and become widowed or divorced.

I'm not opposed to marriage per se, but I do believe that the "traditional" marriage set-up that so many Christians love to champion of a stay-at-home mother popping out kid after kid and being overly or totally dependent on her spouse stands to be a dangerous set-up for women. It works out fine for some of course, but it blows up enough in women's faces that there's no way I could go out of my way to advocate for it in good conscience. I won't co-sign on that.

Despite MY lack of enthusiasm for the "traditional" marriage, 75% of Black women are married by the before the age of 35; presumably to Black males for the most part. So clearly this special knack you have for knowing precisely what all Black people want and think and where that takes them at any given moment is somewhat askew. 
Hell, I argue with Black "respectability" twats about this sort shit all the time who claim that I'm somehow the cause of racism and dysfunction because I personally have no interest in being married and don't buy that it's the end all solution to discrimination, racism, poverty, and every fucking thing else world. 

They're lunatics, just like you.

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I'm not trying to poop on black people here but the numbers are the numbers and the truth is the truth..

Let's start with just how I collect and present data. I give you a fact then a source.

Now look at the above mess you made. you gave your feeling and what you think should be true. I say that because you start with your own personal opinion. then make up some unreferenced bull shit about what black people do/what you think black people do.

So let's look at the numbers/truth A-Gain.

Marriage has been a declining institution among all Americans and this decline is even more evident in the Black community. In 2016 only 29% of African Americans were married compared to 48% of all Americans. Half or 50% of African Americans have never been married compared to 33% of all Americans.

After viewing the available data, we can see that although fewer black women are “now married”, more black women than Black men have been married at least once. This is because a higher percentage of Black women are divorced and widowed than men. Also in 2016 just under half or 48% of black women had never been married which is up from 44% in 2008 and 42.7% in 2005. 

Then we have a legit source:
https://blackdemographics.com/households...k-america/

These numbers are the exact opposite of what you 'think' black people want or are in fact doing according to the US census bureau ACS.

verse what... you're black, which makes you an expert on all black people in the US???

That's not how the truth works, but i guess truth does not matter any more to people, just the political narrative that allows you to call anyone you do not like or disagrees with you a racist... which should be in 3... 2... 1...

The only thing coming apart is your wild, unsubstantiated claim that Black people just don't get married. I presented with you a statistic that demonstrated that this not true. Once you discovered that you were way off base in you assumptions, you flipped your lid and now you want to move the goalposts.

Here's what you're not getting though, Drich. 

I don't actually CARE how the numbers align next to White folks; That's your deal. 
Unlike you, I don't just automatically assume that White folks know best and make it my life's mission to mirror every goddamned move they make.  
I do NOT buy that lack of good Christian marriages is the premier force driving poverty and wealth inequality in this country, nor do I believe that marriage is the optimal solution in addressing it. It's a half-assed one at best because it doesn't create any guarantee of escaping poverty, it creates a dangerously lopsided dependency that often hinges on women remaining in their husbands good graces in order to provide for themselves and their children, and it compels women to remain in situations that are abusive and unsafe because they have no options other than living poverty.

You don't like that? Too bad.
You already knew that I don't give two fucks about the Good Book. Well now you know that I don't give a fuck about respectability politics either. 

Quote:Another truth black in not the issue the destruction of the family via free sex is the issue. the same things happen to the sub culture of poor whites who have also adopted a culture of free sex. but poor white people via white privilege do not exist, so the next best example where free sex has destroyed a culture is with black americans. The next best example meaning alot of work and verified research has been done here, which is all but impossible for a truth seeker to deny.

See that up there God-Boy? That right here encapsulates just how petty, racist, hateful, and dishonest you actually are. 
LMFAO...You can't even manage to fake integrity, can you? 

To get back to the original question of why fundamentalist Christians are so worried about what people do with their genitals ...

The short answer is "divine command theory" combined with "corporate punishment".

If for the sake of argument god commands us to not have sex outside of marriage, and ...

If god will punish us if we disobey, and ...

If god will in fact punish children for the sins of fathers, punish whole nations for insufficient fealty to his commands, etc. ...

Then you will do the following:

1) Not have sex outside of marriage
2) Be terribly concerned that not too many others in your family / village / tribe / nation have sex outside of marriage, lest you get punished along with them if god gets honked off at the group.
3) Build up whole structures of thought and tradition and practice to try to keep yourself and others from "sinning" in this way, and try to cajole / shame people into observing them.

This explains, really, why fundamentalists are authoritarian meddlers in the lives of people outside their group, on any number of topics ... not just those directly or indirectly related to sex.

But this begs the question why sexual expression and conduct and rigidly-defined sexual and gender roles are so prominent, as opposed to something else. In my salad days, for example, it was considered subversive and non-conformant for men to have facial hair of any kind. Why wasn't THAT enough as a way to define tribal membership??

I think it's because if you can get people to reign in something as primal and strong as their sex drive in the service of group norms, other stuff tends to fall into place. If you give up sexual freedom and even identity, and give up some of your money as well ... if you're that beaten down and afraid of being ostracized, and have that much invested, you're very unlikely to be anything but meekly conformant in all other areas as well.

(July 15, 2019 at 6:22 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: A little further down the line weren't there daughters who got daddy drunk and screwed him?  Of course they weren't strangers but it's still sort of frowned upon in many societies.

There’s a shitload of hardcore pron in magic book. Kids have been beating their business to the ideas for eons.

(July 15, 2019 at 7:35 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(July 15, 2019 at 6:22 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: A little further down the line weren't there daughters who got daddy drunk and screwed him?  Of course they weren't strangers but it's still sort of frowned upon in many societies.

There’s a shitload of hardcore prom in magic book.  Kids have been beating their business to the ideas for eons.

I'd say I need to read it but I would want a copy where someone had highlighted the 'good parts'.

I grew up Catholic...the Bible really didn't come into play very often.  Not even at Catholic school.  I have learned mostly from TTA and here and the people who seem to know the Bible inside and out.

That’s mostly because magic book is a burden to the contemporary believer...whereas, for the outside observer it’s just something that people wrote....and people think about sex a lot. The Song of Solomon appears to be Babylonian gay pron popular in bars at the time of its composition.

If it’s not a direct lift, the authors pulled some vanilla ice shit.

(July 15, 2019 at 4:00 pm)Drich Wrote:

Quote:In your racist rush to grossly oversimplify matters and lap up the stereotype of being a "model" minority, you've IGNORED the fact that Hispanic families continue to be overrepresented among the poor in the US and that Southeast Asians have some of the highest poverty rates in this country. Your insistence that all Asians are thriving is untrue.

what a dishonest pos you are.
Most asians are doing better than the average white person in america today.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/06/...americans/

Then to call out south east asians.. sweet heart they may be the poorest people in the world outside south america, but unlike south american the US will simply not allow them in if they have nothing to contribute, can't speak the language or can not work a skilled job.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/dic...-americans
So working from your stereotype this is true that south eastern asian are poor but not if they come here.

Uh-oh! Somebunny's upset. And quite CLUELESS, it would appear.

Southeast Asians HERE in U.S. have some of the highest dropout and poverty rates in THIS country. Now, I don't say this to suggest that there's something inherently wrong with or stupid about SA's. I don't believe that all.  I'm just pointing out that it is racial stereotyping that's caused you to believe that impoverished Asians are "unheard of" the US, not reality. They are many Asians in this country who are indeed falling through the cracks that you simply don't see.

Asian Americans are falling through the cracks in data representation and social services
Asian-Americans Have the Highest Poverty Rate in NYC
The Gap Between Rich and Poor is Highest Among Asian Americans

I guess honorary whiteness didn’t quite pay off like it was supposed to.

Womp womp.