(July 15, 2019 at 8:30 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I guess honorary whiteness didn’t quite pay off like it was supposed to.

Womp womp.

Is that the "trouble trombone sound" from "Leave it to Beaver", from the '50s, or what!?

(July 15, 2019 at 4:00 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 15, 2019 at 11:45 am)Athene Wrote:

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Oh! So you DO acknowledge that these things did indeed happen. I assumed that you didn't due to the way I've seen you yammer on about wonderful and idyllic America was in the 40's and 50's. You just don't think that being denied the ability to own/keep a home and build wealth could possibly have any real impact on families just a generation or so later.

It's ALL about the unmarried sex. Gotcha.   

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in the 40 and 50s the black marriage rate was far higher than whites, so for the purpose of this discussion for black people it was a good time for their communities (if you were not in the south.)

Really? And all of the non-Southern Black families who were essentially forced to move into public housing due to government-sanctioned housing discrimination (or pay the tremendous cost of living in home via contract selling in which they afforded ZERO equity) were experiencing "good times"?

Say, you DO know what happened to most of the remaining working and middle-class Blacks neighborhoods where all those nice married couple lived once the Federal Highway Act of 1956 was passed don't you? They were scouted and deemed to be "ideal" locations for running the Interstate Highway System through.

So they were demolished.

True story.

Quote:what s also true is blacks in africa are also worse off than blacks in america and if/when the poorest of the poor are thrust into an american society or environment alone they too will fail 10 times out of 11. How ever where the asian succeeds and the african fails is the support structure Asian offer each other because all are seen as apart of the same family.

Yet interestingly enough:
It Isn't Just Asian Immigrants Who Excel in the US
African Immigrants More Educated Than Most- Including Those Born in the US
The Most Successful Ethnic Group in the US May Suprise You
Africa is Sending it's Best and Brightest

Are you ever going to learn to start looking shit up before you start posting your thoughts all willy-nilly?

Quote:When that korean guy shot up the collage campus a few years ago all first gen koreans felt a personal collective shame for one of them having raise a killer who killed innocent people. again not that koreas or asian are better but I say this to show how strong the family and community bond is.

I see. How fascinating.
Personally, I don't subscribe to the notion of collective guilt in situations such as these. I see no logical reason to feel responsible for the misdeeds of others who simply happen to share the same phenotype as me.

(July 15, 2019 at 3:54 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Bold mine:

https://www.adl.org/racism

The article in question comes dangerously close to insinuating as much. The most generous I can be is to say that the author’s failure to approach any tangible, measurable cause for this phenomenon in improvised, black communities leaves the door wide open for racist interpretations. 

Quote:no did not say that. I said look at who is in jail. more whites than black almost double. then I asked do these men come from a mom and dad family or did they come from a mom only family... Then I point out that a lager percentage of black people populate prison which is in correlation to the decline of marriage and the increases of available free sex in that specific society.

The distinction here was to point out larger numbers of whites populate prison and come from a broken home

But a larger percentage of black men meaning a larger percentage of black men in the community have problems adapting to prime american culture (where asians spanish whites and blacks all come together and live under the rule of social and legal authority, for the ame reason a smaller percentage of white men but a larger number of whites are in prison. these men re with out the structure and discipline that a full time father contributes to the family structure.

Yeah, I see what you did there, Slick.  

You know...The way you not-so-cleverly omitted marriage-oriented NON-WHITE Hispanic and Latino populations who continue to deeply impacted by poverty and related issues as well because it FUCKS UP your bullshit narrative from multiple angles.

LMFAO...Busted again.
How many times does that make now?

I'll give you a pass on continuing to cling to your "model minority" Asian stereotype, seeing as though you probably hadn't seen the citations I posted that debunk that particular myth when you composed this horseshit.


*bolding done by me for emphasis*

Quote:I did not isolate black people here. I point out a universal truth and used black people and their social decline in the last 50 years as an example because again it is well charted and documented, as the family declined the numbers of black men being imprisoned raised. which again is mirrored in other cultures but is not as well known or observed as in the black community.

 
Again, you grossly oversimplify matters in attributing poverty and related issues to the sudden adoption of "free sex" attitude in the 60's and ignoring every one of discriminatory structural policies including privatization of prisons and sentencing guidelines that targeted the poorest populations in the low-income areas that Uncle Sam moved heaven and earth to create. 

Yes, there is dysfunction within the Black community, but it is undeniable that the US government has indeed made countless, concerted efforts to prevent Black Americans from advancing n this country. Don't tell me "No" because I've provided several examples of how the US enacted policies that were explicitly designed to dick Black veterans and "good" Black families out of any reasonable shot at achieving the American Dream and cripple Blacks socially and economically for generations to come.

So the question is how much of that of dysfunction is result is from a mere lack of moral character and/or trying and how much of it is actually the result of being worn the fuck down by being reviled and feared to such a degree that this country has gone out it's fucking way to take measures ensuring that Blacks would remain a permanent, hated underclass since it's very inception? The world may never know, but I've sure as hell got enough sense to know that all this shit isn't the sole result of not attempting assimilate well enough or having "the unmarried sex".

What I do know is that your argument is absolutely trash, Drich. It's almost entirely based on racist stereotypes and debunked presumptions and is careless and shoddy as fuck.

Game, set, match...Athene!!!

Boru

(July 16, 2019 at 5:33 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Game, set, match...Athene!!!

Boru

Oh, he'll be back and triple-downing on all his horseshit before the day's over. 

(July 16, 2019 at 5:37 am)Athene Wrote:

(July 16, 2019 at 5:33 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Game, set, match...Athene!!!

Boru

Oh, he'll be back and triple-downing on all his horseshit before the day's over. 

Simply because Drich doesn't accept the loss doesn't mean he didn't lose.

Boru

Of course another answer to the OP is that religion maintains control by removing distractions. Sex is a big distraction. It's more difficult to repress yourself sexually when you see others who aren't doing the same.

(July 15, 2019 at 6:22 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: A little further down the line weren't there daughters who got daddy drunk and screwed him?  Of course they weren't strangers but it's still sort of frowned upon in many societies.

Ah the righteous man on earth™. And that was after he offered his daughters to be gangbanged instead of angels. Lel.

(July 15, 2019 at 5:09 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(July 15, 2019 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm not saying people did not cheat on their spouses in the past. I am saying society did not allow tools that made cheating so easy before the culture of free sex.

Or are you saying there was a 1950's version of tinder, ginder and 100's of other hook up apps and websites who only purpose was to put strangers in bed with one another. Where as before you had to actively seek out people who wanted what you did. Today it seems like the culture has become anti family in that the protections of just general shame for not being monogamous has in of it'self become 'immoral' to the culture at large.

They did, actually, assuming you couldn’t just pop over to your neighbors house and get laid.  Why don’t you try google to see all the fun covers and euphemisms we’ve employed over the years for the meat market.

Human beings have always been this way, lol...that’s why we’re so well mixed.  Your own silly magic book leads off with a story about two kids fucking in the bushes.  Maybe you should’ve gotten the clue?

Sex is not the issue here sport. when married there are no limits. it is the sex without marriage that is frown upon. those two kids screwing stayed together. raised a family that is the model that is the point.

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(July 15, 2019 at 6:22 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(July 15, 2019 at 5:09 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: They did, actually, assuming you couldn’t just pop over to your neighbors house and get laid.  Why don’t you try google to see all the fun covers and euphemisms we’ve employed over the years for the meat market.

Human beings have always been this way, lol...that’s why we’re so well mixed.  Your own silly magic book leads off with a story about two kids fucking in the bushes.  Maybe you should’ve gotten the clue?

A little further down the line weren't there daughters who got daddy drunk and screwed him?  Of course they weren't strangers but it's still sort of frowned upon in many societies.

those girls where raise in a good 'moral' society without God. A society so filled with that sort of thing and so "moral" God obliterated it. The only reason those girls and their dad was spared is because God's guy/representative asked him to do so. The fact that they had sex with their father showed how the world can corrupt what was once a holy family with pop 'morality.'

Frowned upon by prudes obsessed with other people’s dicks, sure. That was the question in the first place, why you’re so obsessed with other people’s dicks.

(July 15, 2019 at 6:43 pm)Athene Wrote:

(July 15, 2019 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm not trying to poop on black people here but the numbers are the numbers and the truth is the truth..

Let's start with just how I collect and present data. I give you a fact then a source.

Now look at the above mess you made. you gave your feeling and what you think should be true. I say that because you start with your own personal opinion. then make up some unreferenced bull shit about what black people do/what you think black people do.

So let's look at the numbers/truth A-Gain.

Marriage has been a declining institution among all Americans and this decline is even more evident in the Black community. In 2016 only 29% of African Americans were married compared to 48% of all Americans. Half or 50% of African Americans have never been married compared to 33% of all Americans.

After viewing the available data, we can see that although fewer black women are “now married”, more black women than Black men have been married at least once. This is because a higher percentage of Black women are divorced and widowed than men. Also in 2016 just under half or 48% of black women had never been married which is up from 44% in 2008 and 42.7% in 2005. 

Then we have a legit source:
https://blackdemographics.com/households...k-america/

These numbers are the exact opposite of what you 'think' black people want or are in fact doing according to the US census bureau ACS.

verse what... you're black, which makes you an expert on all black people in the US???

That's not how the truth works, but i guess truth does not matter any more to people, just the political narrative that allows you to call anyone you do not like or disagrees with you a racist... which should be in 3... 2... 1...

The only thing coming apart is your wild, unsubstantiated claim that Black people just don't get married. I presented with you a statistic that demonstrated that this not true. Once you discovered that you were way off base in you assumptions, you flipped your lid and now you want to move the goalposts.

Here's what you're not getting though, Drich. 

I don't actually CARE how the numbers align next to White folks; That's your deal. 
Unlike you, I don't just automatically assume that White folks know best and make it my life's mission to mirror every goddamned move they make.  
I do NOT buy that lack of good Christian marriages is the premier force driving poverty and wealth inequality in this country, nor do I believe that marriage is the optimal solution in addressing it. It's a half-assed one at best because it doesn't create any guarantee of escaping poverty, it creates a dangerously lopsided dependency that often hinges on women remaining in their husbands good graces in order to provide for themselves and their children, and it compels women to remain in situations that are abusive and unsafe because they have no options other than living poverty.

You don't like that? Too bad.
You already knew that I don't give two fucks about the Good Book. Well now you know that I don't give a fuck about respectability politics either. 

Quote:Another truth black in not the issue the destruction of the family via free sex is the issue. the same things happen to the sub culture of poor whites who have also adopted a culture of free sex. but poor white people via white privilege do not exist, so the next best example where free sex has destroyed a culture is with black americans. The next best example meaning alot of work and verified research has been done here, which is all but impossible for a truth seeker to deny.

See that up there God-Boy? That right here encapsulates just how petty, racist, hateful, and dishonest you actually are. 
LMFAO...You can't even manage to fake integrity, can you? 

I CUT AND PASTED OFFICIAL STATISTICS FROM THE UNITED STATES CENSUS! Via an artical written by black people for BLACK PEOPLE!!!!

And because you don't want to hear it you claim I am moving the goal post..

Look retard I said black families/marriage rate is in a stead decline since the 1960 and I posted PROOF Nothing I said has changed.

Here's the problem with this discussion. YOU dont WANT t believe what I am saying so you are trying to dismiss what I have provided proof for by claiming I am a racist, I have changed the subject of discussion and on and on it goes with "you people" (Left leaning dims who are not smart enough to argue facts but rather argue emotion and what you 'feel.') It's not a race thing it is a stupid person thing. you do not have to be of a specific race to be ignorant and in denial of offical united states recorded history and current facts. Most Dim-o-crats are and they are comprised of every race known.

I'm sorry black people fit this stereotype but in the end it is something we as a people as a country can learn from. with the decline of the tradition family so too does the society decline, because again if you take a cross section of negative or evils of society like prison or:

https://thefatherlessgeneration.wordpres...tatistics/

• 43% of US children live without their father [US Department of Census]
  

• 90% of homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes. [US D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census]
  

• 80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes. [Criminal Justice & Behaviour, Vol 14, pp. 403-26, 1978]
  

• 71% of pregnant teenagers lack a father. [U.S. Department of Health and Human Services press release, Friday, March 26, 1999]
  

• 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. [US D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census]
  

• 85% of children who exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. [Center for Disease Control]
  

• 90% of adolescent repeat arsonists live with only their mother. [Wray Herbert, “Dousing the Kindlers,” Psychology Today, January, 1985, p. 28]
  

• 71% of high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. [National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools]
  

• 75% of adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes. [Rainbows f for all God’s Children]
  

• 70% of juveniles in state operated institutions have no father. [US Department of Justice, Special Report, Sept. 1988]
  

• 85% of youths in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. [Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Department of Corrections, 1992]
  

85% of youth in prison have no fathers... again this is not a black specific thing, but we can see in the black community where marriage has taken a back burner to free sex a very large percentage of the youth suffering from one if not multiple afflictions on this list..

Again going back to the OP why does God care about your genitals? Because it is a matter of the preservation of the family and the cornerstone of a free society. We are not a single parent species, meaning we can not develop into societal roles from just being exposed to one parent. look at the list above and tell me you want people who do those things free on the street. In order for us to live as a society a free society we must learn the lessons our fathers have to teach. Father who are taught themselves how to be a dad and how to be a man within soceity.