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RE: "Don't take away people's hope"
August 3, 2019 at 1:46 pm
(August 3, 2019 at 12:34 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: (August 2, 2019 at 9:40 pm)Shell B Wrote: I mean if that makes you happy. If I believe that I should wipe my ass exactly seven times per shot or a wizard will eat me, it will never, ever affect you. I mean, that statement is completely false.
A person who has ticks and compulsions does effect the people they live with, but that’s largely an aside since religious beliefs....what we’re talking about, aren’t exactly ticks and compulsions.
So, sure, if we were talking about believing that you had to wipe your ass seven times, it wouldn’t be completely false, but false enough, I guess. Since we aren’t, it isn’t.
-and you knew that, lol.
That is not a "tic." It's a belief.
You said there aren't ANY beliefs that don't affect others. Of course, we aren't talking about ass-wiping. We're talking about beliefs that don't affect others, of which there are literally countless numbers. My nieces believe in fairies. It has zero affect on anyone's life. My husband believes that The Shawshank Redemption is the best film ever made. It affects zero people. I've made my point using examples of beliefs. I don't know why I have to explain that, but there they are.
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RE: "Don't take away people's hope"
August 3, 2019 at 1:49 pm
(August 3, 2019 at 1:37 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Not really; just one question is enough to take every non-believer to square 1: "what the hell started the big bang?"
Ask a physicist. We're just atheists. Atheists don't automatically believe the Big Bang is the correct hypothesis. That said, I do. My understanding is something to do with pressure and a chemical reaction. I'm not that smart, so I'm not really sure.
Quote:So let's wait for death to knock our door then we will see who's right.
But we won't. More than likely, you'll just die and never even know you were wrong.
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RE: "Don't take away people's hope"
August 3, 2019 at 1:55 pm
(August 3, 2019 at 1:37 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (August 3, 2019 at 11:20 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: That’s because only those who are both stupid and delusional can possibly sink so low as to become a believer.
Not really; just one question is enough to take every non-believer to square 1: "what the hell started the big bang?"
We can rephrase the question by saying: "where the hell did the singularity originate from?".
Religion is a mere scenario. While each theist believing their scenario is more correct, a non-believer is just another person rejecting the scenarios provided by the religious.
In the end; neither you nor me have seen a thing. But both of us are taking one hell of a leap of faith.
I believe in a higher being; you don't.
So let's wait for death to knock our door then we will see who's right.
We don’t know what scenario is correct, but we have better basis to know what could be correct and yours ain’t it.
We are on square 1. You are on nothing, just floating amidst the flatulences of Iron Age bullshitting hucksters
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RE: "Don't take away people's hope"
August 3, 2019 at 3:32 pm
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(August 3, 2019 at 1:49 pm)Shell B Wrote: (August 3, 2019 at 1:37 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Not really; just one question is enough to take every non-believer to square 1: "what the hell started the big bang?"
Ask a physicist. We're just atheists. Atheists don't automatically believe the Big Bang is the correct hypothesis. That said, I do. My understanding is something to do with pressure and a chemical reaction. I'm not that smart, so I'm not really sure. You don't have to be smart or a physicist to read the conclusion of the Big Bang theory; shell B. The conclusion is that everything was compressed into a single point that exploded, and kept expanding and expanding,
This is very easy to understand and non-belief fails at answering what led to the forming of the spot that exploded.
Quote:But we won't. More than likely, you'll just die and never even know you were wrong.
But what would you do if you actually woke up after dying; living a second life?
Scientific evidence points for a second big bang that will happen after this universe ends, and there is evidence from the Quran that literally points to the second creation of the universe:
scientific:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model
Quran:
Quote:Sura 21
Sahih International
104) The Day when We will fold the heaven like the folding of a [written] sheet for the records. As We began the first creation, We will repeat it. [That is] a promise binding upon Us. Indeed, We will do it.
Still; you said it yourself: "more likely". So there's a chance that what I'm saying is the right scenario
(August 3, 2019 at 1:55 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (August 3, 2019 at 1:37 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Not really; just one question is enough to take every non-believer to square 1: "what the hell started the big bang?"
We can rephrase the question by saying: "where the hell did the singularity originate from?".
Religion is a mere scenario. While each theist believing their scenario is more correct, a non-believer is just another person rejecting the scenarios provided by the religious.
In the end; neither you nor me have seen a thing. But both of us are taking one hell of a leap of faith.
I believe in a higher being; you don't.
So let's wait for death to knock our door then we will see who's right.
We don’t know what scenario is correct, but we have better basis to know what could be correct and yours ain’t it.
We are on square 1. You are on nothing, just floating amidst the flatulences of Iron Age bullshitting hucksters
It's too early for you to judge; though. and still; both of us are following leaps of faith, only 4% of the universe is discovered,
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RE: "Don't take away people's hope"
August 3, 2019 at 3:51 pm
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It doesn’t take a leap of faith to say “I don’t know”.
I don’t know what made the univers happen, I don’t even know if the question is valid.
Why would that take me to square-1 as a non believer. Doesn’t have shit to do with gods.
(August 3, 2019 at 1:46 pm)Shell B Wrote: (August 3, 2019 at 12:34 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: A person who has ticks and compulsions does effect the people they live with, but that’s largely an aside since religious beliefs....what we’re talking about, aren’t exactly ticks and compulsions.
So, sure, if we were talking about believing that you had to wipe your ass seven times, it wouldn’t be completely false, but false enough, I guess. Since we aren’t, it isn’t.
-and you knew that, lol.
That is not a "tic." It's a belief.
You said there aren't ANY beliefs that don't affect others. Of course, we aren't talking about ass-wiping. We're talking about beliefs that don't affect others, of which there are literally countless numbers. My nieces believe in fairies. It has zero affect on anyone's life. My husband believes that The Shawshank Redemption is the best film ever made. It affects zero people. I've made my point using examples of beliefs. I don't know why I have to explain that, but there they are. I couldn’t possibly have been discussing religious belief in a discussion about religious belief.
Carry on.
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RE: "Don't take away people's hope"
August 3, 2019 at 3:56 pm
(August 3, 2019 at 3:51 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: It doesn’t take a leap of faith to say “I don’t know”.
I don’t know what made the univers happen, I don’t even know if the question is valid.
Why would that take me to square-1 as a non believer. Doesn’t have shit to do with gods.
(August 3, 2019 at 1:46 pm)Shell B Wrote: That is not a "tic." It's a belief.
You said there aren't ANY beliefs that don't affect others. Of course, we aren't talking about ass-wiping. We're talking about beliefs that don't affect others, of which there are literally countless numbers. My nieces believe in fairies. It has zero affect on anyone's life. My husband believes that The Shawshank Redemption is the best film ever made. It affects zero people. I've made my point using examples of beliefs. I don't know why I have to explain that, but there they are. I couldn’t possibly have been discussing religious belief in a discussion about religious belief.
Carry on.
Ugh, so religious beliefs that don't affect anyone else are still numerous.
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RE: "Don't take away people's hope"
August 3, 2019 at 3:56 pm
If you say so.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: "Don't take away people's hope"
August 3, 2019 at 4:20 pm
I do, and I know it to be true. My suspicion is that you just don't like that it's true because it doesn't fit with your narrative that the effects of religion make people's beliefs your business, but not all of them are or should be.
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RE: "Don't take away people's hope"
August 3, 2019 at 4:23 pm
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People’s beliefs are our business. There’s no necessity of politeness in describing reality.
I think that you might want to take this one up with the religious. They consider their beliefs to be foundational to how they see themselves and how they interact with others.
Religion is politics. Profoundly consequential.
I don’t distribute pamphlets or hit religious boards to de convert people. That’s not my business.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: "Don't take away people's hope"
August 3, 2019 at 4:31 pm
Huh? People's beliefs are not your business. If they do something with that belief that has an impact on others, sure. Otherwise, a whole lot of nunya.
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