The new thread will have to wait an extra week, unfortunately. However, a question worth discussing in the meantime is the relationship between behavior and phenotype. Should behavior be classified as part of an organism's phenotype or as something additional to it?

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(August 14, 2019 at 9:45 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: The new thread will have to wait an extra week, unfortunately. However, a question worth discussing in the meantime is the relationship between behavior and phenotype. Should behavior be classified as part of an organism's phenotype or as something additional to it?

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The phenotype (from Greek phainein, meaning 'to show', and typos, meaning 'type') of an organism is the composite of the organism's observable characteristics or traits, including its morphology or physical form and structure; its developmental processes; its biochemical and physiological properties; its behavior, and the products of behavior

By definition behaviour is part of its phenotype.

(August 14, 2019 at 9:45 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: The new thread will have to wait an extra week, unfortunately. However, a question worth discussing in the meantime is the relationship between behavior and phenotype. Should behavior be classified as part of an organism's phenotype or as something additional to it?

I tingle in antecipation

(August 14, 2019 at 9:45 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: The new thread will have to wait an extra week, unfortunately. However, a question worth discussing in the meantime is the relationship between behavior and phenotype. Should behavior be classified as part of an organism's phenotype or as something additional to it?

Your phenotype definitely includes all manifestations of your conceit, ignorance, and your desire for and pride in slipperiness.    As a consequence it is not pretty.

(August 14, 2019 at 1:22 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

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The phenotype (from Greek phainein, meaning 'to show', and typos, meaning 'type') of an organism is the composite of the organism's observable characteristics or traits, including its morphology or physical form and structure; its developmental processes; its biochemical and physiological properties; its behavior, and the products of behavior

By definition behaviour is part of its phenotype.

My question, broadly speaking, is if you agree with this definition? Behavior is not as quantifiable as other traits, such as color. Neither is cognition as observable as height, for example. I haven't been able to read Dawkins' book The Extended Phenotype, but it seems to be arguing in favor of including behavior and all its repercussions on the world as extensions of what would otherwise be limited by the term phenotype.

You’re painfully transparent.

(August 14, 2019 at 1:57 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(August 14, 2019 at 1:22 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: By definition behaviour is part of its phenotype.

My question, broadly speaking, is if you agree with this definition? Behavior is not as quantifiable as other traits, such as color. Neither is cognition as observable as height, for example. I haven't been able to read Dawkins' book The Extended Phenotype, but it seems to be arguing in favor of including behavior and all its repercussions on the world as extensions of what would otherwise be limited by the term phenotype.

You are seriously trying to find gods in the gaps? What's next, TAG?

(August 14, 2019 at 1:57 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(August 14, 2019 at 1:22 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: By definition behaviour is part of its phenotype.

My question, broadly speaking, is if you agree with this definition? Behavior is not as quantifiable as other traits, such as color. Neither is cognition as observable as height, for example. I haven't been able to read Dawkins' book The Extended Phenotype, but it seems to be arguing in favor of including behavior and all its repercussions on the world as extensions of what would otherwise be limited by the term phenotype.

Is behaviour a part of an animals  identifiable trait?

Yes it is, then it is part of its phenotype.

(August 14, 2019 at 2:08 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(August 14, 2019 at 1:57 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: My question, broadly speaking, is if you agree with this definition? Behavior is not as quantifiable as other traits, such as color. Neither is cognition as observable as height, for example. I haven't been able to read Dawkins' book The Extended Phenotype, but it seems to be arguing in favor of including behavior and all its repercussions on the world as extensions of what would otherwise be limited by the term phenotype.

Is behaviour a part of an animals  identifiable trait?

Yes it is, then it is part of its phenotype.

Behavior is not a part, but a product, of organisms.