Is one more right than the other?

TBH, I'm tired of obesity being celebrated in the media. And I'll tolerate another's obesity up to a point, that point is expressing "obesity entitlement", demanding special treatment or consideration for simply being obese. 

Shaming, no matter what, rarely accomplishes something positive. 

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/a2...t-shaming/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPGln9IjbAM

Best line from the article:  "We’re not all as lucky as Bill Maher," he added. "We don’t all have a sense of superiority that burns 35,000 calories a day."

I fucking HATE Bill Maher.

Boru

I don't give a shit if obese people need or want special consideration. I'm literally completely unaffected by obese people, so my tolerance for them is pretty total at this juncture.

What Bill said was pretty douchey. I do agree with him that we have an "eating shit" problem in the U.S. Most of us who are chubby are chubby because of food decisions we make. My food decisions may have a tinge of mental health in the mix, but it's mostly me, just eating shit. That said, of course fat shaming isn't going to help. What kind of monster thinks body shaming is okay? Fuck that attitude. Drowning people don't survive because you held their head under water.

(September 16, 2019 at 1:32 pm)Shell B Wrote: I don't give a shit if obese people need or want special consideration. I'm literally completely unaffected by obese people, so my tolerance for them is pretty total at this juncture.

What Bill said was pretty douchey. I do agree with him that we have an "eating shit" problem in the U.S. Most of us who are chubby are chubby because of food decisions we make. My food decisions may have a tinge of mental health in the mix, but it's mostly me, just eating shit. That said, of course fat shaming isn't going to help. What kind of monster thinks body shaming is okay? Fuck that attitude. Drowning people don't survive because you held their head under water.

And as the article mentioned, Maher seems to think that 'eating shit' is always a personal choice.  He ignores the obvious link between poverty and obesity.  It's a helluva lot cheaper to eat chips and chocolate Hobnobs than leafy greens and grilled tuna.

He is - and always has been - a myopic, self-righteous, bigoted twat.

Boru

(September 16, 2019 at 1:32 pm)Shell B Wrote: I don't give a shit if obese people need or want special consideration. I'm literally completely unaffected by obese people, so my tolerance for them is pretty total at this juncture.

What Bill said was pretty douchey. I do agree with him that we have an "eating shit" problem in the U.S. Most of us who are chubby are chubby because of food decisions we make. My food decisions may have a tinge of mental health in the mix, but it's mostly me, just eating shit. That said, of course fat shaming isn't going to help. What kind of monster thinks body shaming is okay? Fuck that attitude. Drowning people don't survive because you held their head under water.

Maybe because you were never required to physically interact with them. Have you ever airplaned sitting next to one? Consideration is completely one way. 

You should also experience the pleasure of work travel with an obese partner.

(September 16, 2019 at 2:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: [ It's a helluva lot cheaper to eat chips and chocolate Hobnobs than leafy greens and grilled tuna.

It’s helluva lot more delicious too, Im sure that the bigger driver on this example.

(September 16, 2019 at 2:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 16, 2019 at 1:32 pm)Shell B Wrote: I don't give a shit if obese people need or want special consideration. I'm literally completely unaffected by obese people, so my tolerance for them is pretty total at this juncture.

What Bill said was pretty douchey. I do agree with him that we have an "eating shit" problem in the U.S. Most of us who are chubby are chubby because of food decisions we make. My food decisions may have a tinge of mental health in the mix, but it's mostly me, just eating shit. That said, of course fat shaming isn't going to help. What kind of monster thinks body shaming is okay? Fuck that attitude. Drowning people don't survive because you held their head under water.

And as the article mentioned, Maher seems to think that 'eating shit' is always a personal choice.  He ignores the obvious link between poverty and obesity.  It's a helluva lot cheaper to eat chips and chocolate Hobnobs than leafy greens and grilled tuna.

He is - and always has been - a myopic, self-righteous, bigoted twat.

Boru

I was going to say this. Our government just confirmed this for the dozenth time, actually.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/10/us/po...qMAVqLIwCg

Not to mention our own government is infiltrated by corporate interests who somehow convinced the FDA and an entire fucking nation that white bread is healthier than vegetables.



?????? Thanks Kellogg's ??????

Yeah, fat people can be quite arrogant. Like Maher said that fat people tell him to eat more I mean that happened to me also.

But when it comes to comedians isn't this their usual schtick: they're grumpy, they're against everybody, gawd forbids they choose a political side (ok I know this doesn't include Maher) and they just shit and take less popular sides just so they can aggravate people. I mean look what Dave Chappelle said recently; or I watched little bit of new Bill Burr special and right away he has a shtick how he wishes to go to feminist meeting and yell derogatory stuff at women - I mean who would have this kind of need for real? He's just playing the annoying comedian schtick. And I also heard him mock fat people on like Conan o'Brien.

(September 16, 2019 at 2:24 pm)wyzas Wrote:

(September 16, 2019 at 1:32 pm)Shell B Wrote: I don't give a shit if obese people need or want special consideration. I'm literally completely unaffected by obese people, so my tolerance for them is pretty total at this juncture.

What Bill said was pretty douchey. I do agree with him that we have an "eating shit" problem in the U.S. Most of us who are chubby are chubby because of food decisions we make. My food decisions may have a tinge of mental health in the mix, but it's mostly me, just eating shit. That said, of course fat shaming isn't going to help. What kind of monster thinks body shaming is okay? Fuck that attitude. Drowning people don't survive because you held their head under water.

Maybe because you were never required to physically interact with them. Have you ever airplaned sitting next to one? Consideration is completely one way. 

You should also experience the pleasure of work travel with an obese partner.

But I have been. It just never bothered me. I've certainly never interacted with an obese person who wanted special consideration for it, other than needing a motorized cart at the store, which I didn't really give a shit about it.

I'm annoyed with anyone who is an entitled shit. I just haven't come across fat entitlement.

(September 16, 2019 at 2:24 pm)wyzas Wrote:

(September 16, 2019 at 1:32 pm)Shell B Wrote: I don't give a shit if obese people need or want special consideration. I'm literally completely unaffected by obese people, so my tolerance for them is pretty total at this juncture.

What Bill said was pretty douchey. I do agree with him that we have an "eating shit" problem in the U.S. Most of us who are chubby are chubby because of food decisions we make. My food decisions may have a tinge of mental health in the mix, but it's mostly me, just eating shit. That said, of course fat shaming isn't going to help. What kind of monster thinks body shaming is okay? Fuck that attitude. Drowning people don't survive because you held their head under water.

Maybe because you were never required to physically interact with them. Have you ever airplaned sitting next to one? Consideration is completely one way. 

You should also experience the pleasure of work travel with an obese partner.

I once had a huge man (400 pounds +?) come down the plane aisle and try to sit in the middle seat next to my aisle seat.  As he was sitting, he asked me if he could put up the arm rest between us, and I naively assented, never having been faced with such a circumstance before.  Huge mistake.  I spent the rest of the flight sitting in less-than half of the seat I spent a full fare on, pushed up against a sweaty and stinky behemoth. I also continuously fought with the flight attendants, who insisted I not hang my shoulder and legs out in the aisle, so they could get the carts past me.

Most miserable fucking flight I've ever taken, and I've flown with seat-back kicking kids and screeching babies.

I will never again "accommodate" an obese person seated next to me on a plane.  I've had others simply pull the armrest up as they try to sit down, but I have objected, and insisted it stay down.  They looked to the flight attendant for help, who then *ask* me if they can put it down, and I say "no, I'd rather sit in the entire seat that I've paid for".  On the two other flights this has happened on, the flight attendant has found another (two) seat(s) for them, after moving someone else that's a normal weight into the seat next to mine.

I'm of the opinion that every airline ticket should require the passenger, with their baggage, to get on a scale and pay per pound.  Then a multiplier is used, depending on distance and class.   I'm tired of paying an extra fifty bucks for a fifty pound suitcase when someone else on the plane weighs a hundred pounds more than me, yet pays the same basic fare as I do.  That's just wrong.

Airplane capacity is weight-driven.  It's time that the fares are, too.