(September 22, 2019 at 12:54 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

(September 22, 2019 at 12:31 am)EgoDeath Wrote:  However, there is a very real question that we have to ask ourselves... In a future where more and more jobs are lost to automation by the month, or year, or decade, what are unskilled, uneducated people to do for work? Hell, what are skilled, educated people to do for work if their job is lost to robots?

Problem of unemployment can easily be solved with negative interest rates.

I'm not sure our economy is spiraling out of control, currently.

(September 21, 2019 at 10:33 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(September 21, 2019 at 7:36 pm)Javaman Wrote: I'd bet that UBI becomes necessary before it becomes political fellatio.

 I suppose - if you are living in your mother's basement - playing video games half the day, and watching Netflix the other half. Or if your drug addled brain can't figure any other source of income.....

Fucking UBIers.....

Looking under the xmas trees for great free shit.


Pathetic.

What a terrible take on the causes of poverty in America.

(September 22, 2019 at 12:25 pm)Aegon Wrote: What a terrible take on the causes of poverty in America.

As if there are no hardworking people who are struggling to get by...SMH.

(September 22, 2019 at 1:15 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:

(September 22, 2019 at 12:25 pm)Aegon Wrote: What a terrible take on the causes of poverty in America.

As if there are no hardworking people who are struggling to get by...SMH.

Some of the hardest workers are the ones who are making the least.  Meanwhile, Paris Hilton is sitting in the lap of luxury without lifting a finger.  You want to get upset at people for being paid to be lazy, that would be a good place to start.  The idle rich are a much bigger drain on the economy and corporate interests are a much more dangerous parasite than an army of single moms trying to feed their kids.

Maybe it's simply a generational thing, but UBI does not sit well with me. And I'm not convinced that robots/AI will replace human contribution. The contribution/work will simply change.

(September 22, 2019 at 9:01 pm)wyzas Wrote: Maybe it's simply a generational thing, but UBI does not sit well with me. And I'm not convinced that robots/AI will replace human contribution. The contribution/work will simply change.

To the type of work that not everyone is qualified to do.

(September 22, 2019 at 11:32 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(September 22, 2019 at 9:01 pm)wyzas Wrote: Maybe it's simply a generational thing, but UBI does not sit well with me. And I'm not convinced that robots/AI will replace human contribution. The contribution/work will simply change.

To the type of work that not everyone is qualified to do.

The unfortunate fact is, there will always be people at the top, middle and bottom. That's human nature.

(September 22, 2019 at 11:32 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(September 22, 2019 at 9:01 pm)wyzas Wrote: Maybe it's simply a generational thing, but UBI does not sit well with me. And I'm not convinced that robots/AI will replace human contribution. The contribution/work will simply change.

To the type of work that not everyone is qualified to do.

Can't they be educated.............. by humans?

The type of work that anyone who is reasonably able can do has been hard to automate. That's the work that is finally being automated. Manual labor. Repair work. Agricultural work. Management. Transportation. Even journalism.

But it's going to be gradual. It's still difficult to automate those things, we're a fair ways off from having specialist robots that can do each of those tasks and farther away from true general purpose robots that can be used for any physical task. But it's coming. But it's only a matter of time.

(September 22, 2019 at 9:01 pm)wyzas Wrote: Maybe it's simply a generational thing, but UBI does not sit well with me. And I'm not convinced that robots/AI will replace human contribution. The contribution/work will simply change.

I don't think you need AI to replace anything to justify UBI, personally. Especially in such a radically top-heavy economy like the United States in 2019. In many ways I think UBI is one of the only ways to save American capitalism. What is "trickle-down economics" if not immense corporate welfare, to put more money in the hands of the wealthy? What is so insane about a UBI as means of "trickle-up economics," at least this time the government is giving money to people who will spend it.

That being said, I'm hard-pressed to believe that 3 - 4 million truckers will all have jobs in that industry in 10 years. Perhaps half of them will keep their jobs and drive the trucks in urban areas, when self-driving trucks are only advanced enough to cover the long highways. Then eventually those will be gone too. That's one example.

CVS near me cut half the staff because of self-checkout machines. Are the cashiers going to learn how to fix and operate self-checkout machines to make up for it?

(September 23, 2019 at 8:18 am)wyzas Wrote:

(September 22, 2019 at 11:32 pm)Grandizer Wrote: To the type of work that not everyone is qualified to do.

Can't they be educated.............. by humans?

College education is generally unaffordable and student debt is a massive burden on the economy. And government retraining programs have a terrible success rate.