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#181
RE: Evidence for Believing
September 30, 2019 at 1:43 pm
(September 30, 2019 at 9:48 am)Ricardo Wrote: There is a lack of empirical evidence!

There is a lack of both intellectual integrity and moral courage.
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RE: Evidence for Believing
September 30, 2019 at 3:16 pm (This post was last modified: September 30, 2019 at 3:18 pm by Simon Moon.)
(September 30, 2019 at 1:29 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Here's the thing, could an all powerful, all knowing fire department put out every fire in the world ?

Yes it could.

So why doesn't it ?

Because such a thing doesn't exist.

Along those lines...

This video by Darkmatter2525, pretty much puts a nail in the coffin of the idea of an all powerful (or even maximally powerful) god actually existing.

He brilliantly demonstrates the the idiocy of an all powerful god, only appearing to a tiny geographical area, to an extremely small population, but leaving all the rest of humanity to go on existing for 1000's of years, 'inventing' their own mutually exclusive religions.

Of course, Lek will just pull the "god works in mysterious ways", argument.





You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#183
RE: Evidence for Believing
September 30, 2019 at 3:22 pm
Maximally mysterious.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#184
RE: Evidence for Believing
September 30, 2019 at 5:11 pm (This post was last modified: September 30, 2019 at 5:11 pm by Nay_Sayer.)
Im not sure I answered the op.

For me I once prayed to FSM for a bit of cash, a month later I found a twenty on the ground.

I can't figure out any other way other than FSM's divine intervention that it could happen.
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

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RE: Evidence for Believing
September 30, 2019 at 5:52 pm
(September 30, 2019 at 5:11 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Im not sure I answered the op.  

For me I once prayed to FSM for a bit of cash, a month later I found a twenty on the ground.

I can't figure out any other way other than FSM's divine intervention that it could happen.

Not if you were praying to the wrong god. Only if you were praying to the right god, would finding the twenty be due to god. If you were praying to the wrong god, it would only be a coincidence.

Lucky you were praying to the right god.

Because the cum hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy is completely convincing.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#186
RE: Evidence for Believing
September 30, 2019 at 6:49 pm
(September 30, 2019 at 5:52 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(September 30, 2019 at 5:11 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Im not sure I answered the op.  

For me I once prayed to FSM for a bit of cash, a month later I found a twenty on the ground.

I can't figure out any other way other than FSM's divine intervention that it could happen.

Not if you were praying to the wrong god. Only if you were praying to the right god, would finding the twenty be due to god. If you were praying to the wrong god, it would only be a coincidence.

Lucky you were praying to the right god.

Because the cum hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy is completely convincing.
I often contemplate, what if I had been foolish and picked one of those other lesser false gods.

RAmen
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#187
RE: Evidence for Believing
September 30, 2019 at 7:01 pm
(September 30, 2019 at 3:16 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(September 30, 2019 at 1:29 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Here's the thing, could an all powerful, all knowing fire department put out every fire in the world ?

Yes it could.

So why doesn't it ?

Because such a thing doesn't exist.

Along those lines...

This video by Darkmatter2525, pretty much puts a nail in the coffin of the idea of an all powerful (or even maximally powerful) god actually existing.

He brilliantly demonstrates the the idiocy of an all powerful god, only appearing to a tiny geographical area, to an extremely small population, but leaving all the rest of humanity to go on existing for 1000's of years, 'inventing' their own mutually exclusive religions.

Of course, Lek will just pull the "god works in mysterious ways", argument.






God works in a non-existent way.
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#188
RE: Evidence for Believing
September 30, 2019 at 9:30 pm (This post was last modified: September 30, 2019 at 9:32 pm by Inqwizitor.)
(September 30, 2019 at 3:16 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(September 30, 2019 at 1:29 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Here's the thing, could an all powerful, all knowing fire department put out every fire in the world ?

Yes it could.

So why doesn't it ?

Because such a thing doesn't exist.

Along those lines...

This video by Darkmatter2525, pretty much puts a nail in the coffin of the idea of an all powerful (or even maximally powerful) god actually existing.

He brilliantly demonstrates the the idiocy of an all powerful god, only appearing to a tiny geographical area, to an extremely small population, but leaving all the rest of humanity to go on existing for 1000's of years, 'inventing' their own mutually exclusive religions.

Of course, Lek will just pull the "god works in mysterious ways", argument.





Straw-man god, par excellence.  Well done. But let me just say that I don't think revelation is limited to this planet. If or when we contact other intelligent life elsewhere in this vast universe, I sincerely expect that they will have their own numinous relationship. "There is no meaning to all this stuff" is not an answer, either. Maybe extraterrestrials will convince you, if your own kind, cannot.  Marvin [Lol, imagine they actually look like the Flying Spaghetti Monster?]
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RE: Evidence for Believing
October 1, 2019 at 2:12 am
(September 30, 2019 at 9:30 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: "There is no meaning to all this stuff" is not an answer, either.
If the question is "is there meaning to all this stuff?", then "there is no meaning to all this stuff" is an answer.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#190
RE: Evidence for Believing
October 1, 2019 at 2:13 am
Biblically stated 3 millenniums the first 2 verses have been proven (oh yes) to be scientifically accurate.
Genesis 1:1  “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” - Big bang cosmology confirms the universe had an actual beginning. 13.79bya
Genesis 1:2  “The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.”
 - Science confirms  https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...074038.htm

All the other Genesis chapter 1 verses are secularly accurate as well*. Therefore, God.

*There are no 'what abouts'?
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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