(October 15, 2019 at 1:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The CNN one is hardly a scandal or 'fake news'.  The impeachment inquiry IS the biggest news story going right now.  Weighted coverage of it is to be expected.

ABC has apologized for the video footage.  They made the mistake of not vetting it and said so.

Still waiting for Trump to admit a single mistake or a single lie (he has more than a few to choose from).

Boru

Did listen to the actual tape of the CNN president telling his staff to bypass real news to keep the impeachment nothing burger at the fore front?

Listen to the CBS anchor they specifically say... "this maybe footage of..." They knew it was not going into the broad cast. they just wanted to paint a hollywood type invasion scene when in fact very little in the way of kurds being napalmed is actually going on.

As far as trump's actions in seria I think he is making an example out of them for others in the middle east who heavily depend on our support but maybe are not paying their fare share. To show them that the US is the reason why people like turkey and or iran are not pushing in and not NAto. Remember the kurds are under the protection of Nato and turkey is a member, yet Nato has little to no power in reeling turkey in. IE if you want the added US protection then it is time people started paying for it rather than the tax payers footing the entire bill for world peace. 

Or perhaps he is using the actions of turkey against the kurds to show the kurds how much they depend on Us and to force a stronger alliance with them and get their support against their buddies in Iran if it comes down to it.

Only History can know if this will be an all bad or even a good thing..

Either Way, this is news. not impeachment over Joe biden's dishonest politicking. (shaking down the ukraine and china for payout for his son.)

What a Bich.

(October 15, 2019 at 2:10 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I detest Trump...have for many years before he ran for the presidency.  He is a creepy, slimy baboon that is simply disgusting on all fronts.

I did feel a knot in my stomach when I went to vote...Clinton was a complete disaster as a pick for the DNC.  

This voting for the lesser of two evils became - oh crap, I have to pick one of these two...there was no real choice.

I fear this next election will be the same no matter if Trump runs again (having bought his way out of impeachment) or Pence is the GOP candidate.  The DNC clown car of potential candidates is a damn joke.

Out side of loving our president I agree.

not a fan of anyone the 'dims' are supporting. They all seem bent on destroying any part of america that has not gentrified. At least with trump no one is trying to take your rights away. However all dims seek to remove or change our constitutional rights.

Meaning under trump no one is forcing you to own an ar-15. No one is forcing you to accept certain church doctrine over what you believe is moral. No one is taxing you at a 60 to 75% tax rate.. However all the candidates to one degree or another wants all ar-15 taken away, they want to change church doctrine to reflect their version of morality (or the government will take away their tax status. not one of them is not threatening all but the lower classes with a 60 to 75% tax increase.

There is no live and let live with the dims. it has become a dictators type of regime where resistance is futile and all shall comply.

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(October 15, 2019 at 3:48 pm)Alan V Wrote:

(October 15, 2019 at 12:24 pm)Drich Wrote: What do you tell yourself to excuse these guys every time they get caught make crap up? How can you just assume everything you hear is true? how do you know when you are being fed propaganda against the president against your constitutional rights and even the state of affairs outside this country? How can you discount contrary news sources that simply cast a shadow on things you do not like to hear?

honestly I think it is the news who is trying to destroy this country. look at the riots and the racial tension.. Until trump came around all the would report is white on black violence and this country and black people boiled over into the streets but did not trigger a war. then what did the news do? they rallies all of the disenfranchised bleeding heart white people to try and over turn a duly elected president. 

This is all going far beyond fake news.

People make mistakes, even in the news business.  That's why they offer corrections after-the-fact.

Who says we assume everything we hear is true?  I assume nothing Trump says is true because of his track record of over 12,000 lies and distortions.  And yes, I am quite confident Trump lies all the time because often he lies about us Democrats.

We Democrats are not "trying to overturn an election."  If anything, the Russians did that.  We are trying to impeach and remove a very specific liar and criminal by perfectly legal means.  Trump is an incompetent and dangerous president who has violated his Constitutional duties, especially in regards to the separation of powers.  He has obviously obstructed justice and is undermining the ability of Congress to perform their duties of oversight.

News people always select certain stories.  They have no choice with limited time.  But they don't just make things up intentionally, unlike Trump.

Drich, should we assume you don't watch Fox News because of its obvious biases?

I sourced fox news because none of the other major netwroks where covering the story.

biased or not it is the truth this happened they play the tape and let you hear the CEO of CNN tell the staff to literally ignore real news in order to keep the impeachment at the fore front. that my friend is propaganda that is not reporting the news that is creating news.

This was not a mistake this was not an accident. this was a demand from the CEO to make up stories or to blow up or sensationalize mundain stories to prop up the idea that trump has done something wrong. The department of justice cleared him of any wrong doing sept 25th. 

Quote:The whistleblower's complaint prompted a referral to the Department of Justice Criminal Division. On September 25, a  spokeswoman, Kerri Kupec, announced that the division had "concluded the matter" and determined that the call did not constitute a campaign finance violation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%8...ontroversy
 at that point the legal aspect of this impeachment was over, but I bet none of you cnn fans knows that do you? EVERYTHING from (9-25th forward) is a political maneuver/lie to make you middle of the road shlubbs who do not fact check) doubt trump or feed your anger. This is CNN and the Dims playing the actual 'dims' in tis country.' 

At this point There is absolutely nothing Nancy can do with out a formal vote to start the impeachment process, and even then if they get the required majority (which they do not have)  all they can do is sopean and ask question to gather evidence. but Again the department of justice as looked at everything, and there is nothing to gather which is why today she said she would not be holding a vote.. 

which means there is not an actual impeachment process going on here. the only thing happening is the news repeats the word over and over and all you guys who do not like to fact check wrongly assume trump has done something wrong. Again it is propaganda to taint the well and you gys just line up and drink from it without question.

 
for real honest impartial people no matter which side of the line you are on, It has to infuriate you to see all of these politicians playing this most of America is so stupid they will shallow whatever the news say. Even if you ae too dumb to be mad at the right people know I am mad for you.

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(October 16, 2019 at 7:17 am)Alan V Wrote:

(October 15, 2019 at 12:24 pm)Drich Wrote: then what did the news do? they rallies all of the disenfranchised bleeding heart white people to try and over turn a duly elected president. 

If the President is thrown out of office, it will be the Republicans in the Senate who will cast the deciding votes.  They are duly-elected representatives of the American people, and will have the legal right to do so.

TRY= make an attempt.

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(October 16, 2019 at 9:09 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: That is not what fake news is, Drich. It has a definition, look it up. Hint: 'fake' and 'biased' are not synonyms. Hillary sold America's uranium to the Russians is fake news, focusing coverage on a particular issue for political reasons is bias.

fake=false

The justice department ruled on 9-25-19 Trump had broken no laws with his dealings with the ukrainian president.

It is now 10-16 and CNN is still reporting the president has broken the law and needs to be impeeched for the very crime the justice department absolved him of. 

That douche bag is propaganda/fake/false news.

Do i need to break it down further?

how much must I pre chew these facts before you understand what CNN is telling and how they are going about it is a kin to LYING to the american people and most of you are making accuses for them having made a mistake!

You mean Trump's pet Justice Department, headed by his duplicitous Attorney General?  The same Justice Department that attempted to keep the whistleblower's report from getting to Congress? And you realize that a memo from the Justice Department can't absolve anyone of anything?

Boru

(October 16, 2019 at 12:17 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 16, 2019 at 7:17 am)Alan V Wrote: If the President is thrown out of office, it will be the Republicans in the Senate who will cast the deciding votes.  They are duly-elected representatives of the American people, and will have the legal right to do so.

TRY= make an attempt.

I wasn't objecting to the "try" part, but to the "overturn the election" part of what you wrote. Congress can legally remove a president from office. There's nothing illegal or nefarious about it.

You don't seem to realize that Trump has pushed Democrats too far. We have power in the government too, and are not just Trump's doormat to walk all over.

It isn't illegal to be partisan. If it was, Trump would be in jail already. So don't be such a hypocrite.

The Constitution delineates the process for impeaching, trying, and removing a president from office. The people who are trying to disrupt this process are, in point of fact, going against the Constitution. This would qualify as a criminal act.

So, Bich, I hope your non-reader cohorts keep trying.

(October 16, 2019 at 12:05 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 15, 2019 at 1:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The CNN one is hardly a scandal or 'fake news'.  The impeachment inquiry IS the biggest news story going right now.  Weighted coverage of it is to be expected.

ABC has apologized for the video footage.  They made the mistake of not vetting it and said so.

Still waiting for Trump to admit a single mistake or a single lie (he has more than a few to choose from).

Boru

Did listen to the actual tape of the CNN president telling his staff to bypass real news to keep the impeachment nothing burger at the fore front?

Listen to the CBS anchor they specifically say... "this maybe footage of..." They knew it was not going into the broad cast. they just wanted to paint a hollywood type invasion scene when in fact very little in the way of kurds being napalmed is actually going on.

As far as trump's actions in seria I think he is making an example out of them for others in the middle east who heavily depend on our support but maybe are not paying their fare share. To show them that the US is the reason why people like turkey and or iran are not pushing in and not NAto. Remember the kurds are under the protection of Nato and turkey is a member, yet Nato has little to no power in reeling turkey in. IE if you want the added US protection then it is time people started paying for it rather than the tax payers footing the entire bill for world peace. 

Or perhaps he is using the actions of turkey against the kurds to show the kurds how much they depend on Us and to force a stronger alliance with them and get their support against their buddies in Iran if it comes down to it.

Only History can know if this will be an all bad or even a good thing..

Either Way, this is news. not impeachment over Joe biden's dishonest politicking. (shaking down the ukraine and china for payout for his son.)

I have not listened to it, nor am I going to.  Why?  Because nothing James O'Keefe has to say, publish, or broadcast has any validity whatsoever.  He's a fraud and a confessed criminal.  And I think it's rather amusing that you would use material published by one criminal to defend another.

Boru

(October 16, 2019 at 12:17 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 16, 2019 at 9:09 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: That is not what fake news is, Drich. It has a definition, look it up. Hint: 'fake' and 'biased' are not synonyms. Hillary sold America's uranium to the Russians is fake news, focusing coverage on a particular issue for political reasons is bias.

fake=false

The justice department ruled on 9-25-19 Trump had broken no laws with his dealings with the ukrainian president.

It is now 10-16 and CNN is still reporting the president has broken the law and needs to be impeeched for the very crime the justice department absolved him of.

That douche bag is propaganda/fake/false news.

Do i need to break it down further?

how much must I pre chew these facts before you understand what CNN is telling and how they are going about it is a kin to LYING to the american people and most of you are making accuses for them having made a mistake!

Fake=A forgery, in the case of news it would be an article that appears to be genuine but deliberately contains misinformation or disinformation that the source knows is wrong with the intent to deceive news consumers.

False=Incorrect, untrue, wrong; in news it can be a fake, but it can also result from being mistaken or unconscious bias, no intent to deceive is required.

Ultimately, the courts determine what is legal or illegal, not the administration's Justice Department. The Justice Department may choose not to prosecute something, that is absolutely not the same thing as absolving them of it. The DOJ's official position is that it is not their place to prosecute a sitting president, that responsibility belongs to the legislative branch. Furthermore, just because something is not against the law does not mean that it is not impeachable, that is for the House to determine. If they proceed w/ impeachment and vote to impeach, it is then the Senate's job to determine whether to remove the president from office.

Having a different opinion from the DOJ on the legality of something or whether something is an impeachable offense is not 'fake news'. If CNN honestly, in their hearts, as objectively as possible, felt that the evidence indicates that the president is completely innocent and doesn't deserve impeachment, their reportage WOULD be fake news. I don't think even you believe that CNN is not reporting what they really think. You disagreeing with what they are reporting is not the standard for determining whether the news is fake. It's possible for people to have a different opinion about a matter than you without it being lying, Drich.

(October 16, 2019 at 12:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You mean Trump's pet Justice Department, headed by his duplicitous Attorney General?  The same Justice Department that attempted to keep the whistleblower's report from getting to Congress? And you realize that a memo from the Justice Department can't absolve anyone of anything?

Boru

Can't be a whistleblower if you do not have evidence, or any pertinent first hand information. Everything this person had to say was hears say 3rd party at best. They got all of the facts wrong! That is why the state department dismissed them and would not allow their false allegations to go forward.

that is why trump released the tapes of the conversation which now had polsi say they do not even need the whistle blower. (because none of the allegations where try which is what the justice department discovered months ago.

So yeah, if the whistleblower is a fraud than it is on the department of justice to determine that and to act accordingly. Which is Exactly what happened.

Funny how everything in the whistleblower complaint has been corroborated by the administration, innit?

And no - you do not need first hand information to blow the whistle on corrupt practices.  If Jim tells me that Joe has robbed a bank and I take that information to the cops, wouldn't they investigate?  You justice department didn't even investigate the complaint.  Barr simply dismissed it out of hand and opted to not even check it out.

I don't think you understand what 'hearsay' means.

Boru